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#2078 of 2720 Wish I saw this sooner
Mar 31, 2009 (9:39 am)
I just traded my 2001 Passat V6 for a new 2009 Accord V6. Everyone told me how great Hondas were and after a short test drive I moved quickly to buy this new car. The Passat has a really smooth ride, always had to watch to be sure I wasn't speeding. On my first drive to work (50 miles of mostly highway) in the new Accord was a real disappointment. Vibration and a feeling of the engine missing are quite annoying. At a steady speed on a flat road itís not bad, but who gets to drive like that. I only have a little over 100 miles on the car and I can already see I made a big mistake.
#2080 of 2720 Re: VCM discussion [markm124]
Mar 31, 2009 (8:53 pm)
Just to add another 2008 Accord V6 navi mileage (just about 5000 miles on the car) to the list:
Around town local driving with my lead foot I get around 17MPG - about the same as my prior Subaru Outback Turbo four cylinder which was rated that year at 250 horsepower. On the highway only trips, using cruise it is about 24MPG in western PA on the turnpike (hilly terrain), but rises up to about 26MPG on the Ohio flatland. Cruising speed is about 73 if traffic is good, unless in WV, then 78. This is about what I expected - this is a much bigger, heavier, and powerful car compared to my first 1993 Honda Accord EX 5spd that turned in 29 in mixed driving (that was the 150HP Vtec four). The only way to truly get good fuel mileage for my heavy foot driving style would be to buy a small car with a small engine and a manual.
VCM seems least obtrusive when the cruise is in use, otherwise you can find yourself adding more throttle than needed and provoking the mini-downshift like feel to the six cylinder mode (kinda like when dropping overdrive on the old style transmissions).
I haven't seen any company offer a performance program for the engine computer - they could shutdown the VCM mode etc and not have to worry about the gov't. I suspect Honda cannot offer a disable for the system without running foul of federal regulations regarding the emissions cert of which the engine computer is an important component.
#2081 of 2720 Re: VCM discussion [jhinsc]
Apr 01, 2009 (8:06 am)
I am still conscious of the shifting into and out of ECO - regardless of the stupid light. It is not seamless and unnoticeable as Honda had touted it to be in its advertising, and there is nothing that can be done about it - some cars are worse than others, and some drivers more sensitive than others - sensitive driver and bad car = years of misery. IMHO. Gas mileage? Mine gets about 30 MPG on the NY Thruway between Albany and NY at 75-80 MPH - pretty flat going up the Hudson River Valley as it does. I have found that the hillier the terrain the worse the mileage and this engine seems to be more adversely affected by that than other cars I have driven - because it is going into and out of 3-4-6 cylinder operation all the time? And IMO, having it on cruise does nothing to help things - still noticeable. Just my own personal experience. Overall - in the 22-24 range, 50/50 city /highway. My car has about 10,000 miles on it and is an '08 EXL V-6.
#2082 of 2720 Re: VCM discussion [jhinsc]
Apr 01, 2009 (9:53 am)
My recent fill up yielded 25.2 mpg and I estimate I did about 60/40 city hwy. I have now have a longer commute with more stop lights and traffic, plus I do a lot of mini-stops during the day where I leave it idling for a minute or so as I put stuff in and out of the trunk. I was only expecting about 22 mpg so I was pleasantly surprised. As far as how the VCM operates, I agree it's not seamless, but to me it's not unpleasant. To me it feels like it's shifting into another gear when the transition occurs. To make it even better, my wish list would include an idle-stop feature (as long as the a/c still works!) for even better mileage in city driving.
#2083 of 2720 Re: VCM discussion [yuka]
Apr 01, 2009 (7:24 pm)
Sorry to hear you're car seems to be one of the more problematic ones, but for what its worth, your mileage is right on target; a little better than EPA estimates, actually. It calls for a combined average of 22 MPH (you're getting 22-24 MPG) and for 29 Highway (you're getting 30 while going at above normal Highway speeds, impressive!). Usually, EPA highway estimates are more likely to be achieved at or below 70 MPH.
Apr 01, 2009 (9:03 pm)
Speaking of the ECO light - I would like to get the bulb removed on mine at some point. It's more worthless than the old upshift light on some of the manual transmission cars in the late seventies and early eighties, or the vacuum gauge marked fuel economy on some others. Just an annoying distraction.
The car does have some odd engine notes and vibration from it, as well as the surging/hesitation. Those appear to be the nature of this particular design. I was a little leery buying the car just after seeing all the gee-whiz junk they did, as the earlier Accords (gen 6 and earlier) did not have this stuff. Navi is one thing, but adding active noise cancellation and a dual active chamber engine mount (earlier ones had a single chamber mount), etc. just hide the 3-4-6 schemes issues?
This is a live with it for me, the steering wheel shimmy that mine has since day one is the bigger issue. It's been minimized with the third road force balance, but if you know what to look for it is still there in a small way.
The paint job on this car has more flaws in it than the the last four vehicles I've owned combined - this is also a live with it. I had to wait for this one to come from Marysville, so I could not reject it for this, unlike if it was one on the lot.
Still, I like this cars size, handling, and performance in general. But after loosing the low dash due to the ACS design it feels a lot more like a traditional american car design where the dash is high and you sit down in a tub.
#2085 of 2720 Re: VCM discussion [jmillerjmiller]
Apr 03, 2009 (7:13 am)
"But after loosing the low dash due to the ACS design it feels a lot more like a traditional american car design where the dash is high and you sit down in a tub."
I totally agree - this is the most "American" Honda to date, losing the low cowl other had had. I liked the 1st generation Acura Legends - they had every bit as much leg room, etc. but were SOO much lower and the cowl ? Your line of sight was amazing.
Some interesting comparisons - 1990 Legend v 2009 Accord V6
Front HR 37 41
Rear HR 37 37
Front LR 43.4 42.5
Rear LR 35 37
Length 191 194
Ht 54.7 58!
Wt 3170 3600
Width 69 73
WheelBase 109 110
#2086 of 2720 Re: VCM discussion [yuka]
Apr 03, 2009 (8:41 am)
Most 2008 and newer vehicles have to meet new pedestrian impact standards which have resulted in higher cowl designs.
#2087 of 2720 Re: VCM discussion [dpmeersman]
Apr 03, 2009 (9:00 am)
Oh - I knew - what shame though - those low cowl designs were great. How many pedestrians have you hit? I have been driving 43 years/1,000,000+ miles and haven't hit one yet. Stupid laws.