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Re: The Joys of Honda VCM [elroy5] by cstiles
Jan 09, 2009 (9:11 am)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jan 08, 2009 4:14 pm)

Actually, they did reference the surging/vibration....
 
"I know what you're thinking, the actual cylinder deactivation process is annoying; there must be a shutter or a jolt when the system active and deactivates. Wrong. The annoying part is the light."
 
This was a test involving 20,000 miles with multiple drivers, environments, driving styles, terrain, and intended/unintended biases. So lack of comment about the surging/vibration is relevant, IMO. It doesn't mean other cars don't have it, but this test example seemed to operate fine to the point hardly anyone even noticed abnormal cylinder operation, surging, vibration. The lack of comments does not suggest an incomplete review, as sunnfun said.
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Re: The Joys of Honda VCM [sunnfun] by elroy5
Jan 09, 2009 (10:38 am)
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Replying to: sunnfun (Jan 09, 2009 8:06 am)

sunnfun,
 The long term testers obviously didn't have the same problems with the car, that you have. I'm sure if the car exhibited the same surging, and vibrations, some posters on this board describe, at least one of them would have mentioned it. According to some, ALL VCM Accords exhibit these "annoying" and "totally unacceptable" sensations. Apparently, NOT ALL of them do. Even Honda can make a Lemon or two out of 400k, and it seems you were one of the unlucky few. Maybe you will do a more thorough test drive next time, instead of assuming every car on the lot is perfect. I have read reviews on my car (03 EX V6) that were very critical, but my car has been every thing I could have hoped for. I've test driven two cars from the same dealership before, that were very different, despite being the same model and trim.
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Re: The Joys of Honda VCM [cstiles] by sunnfun
Jan 09, 2009 (11:11 am)
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Replying to: cstiles (Jan 09, 2009 9:11 am)

I don't see "Mike" listed anywhere in the article you first listed. It references several people but not him (not to say he was not part of the testing but his name was not in the initial article) Also, anyone who says you should drive in D2 or D3 can not be taken seriously? I assume he was joking but not really funny, because you know someone will try it.
I think your missing my point. Honda spent a considerable amount of money to market the benefits of VCM. And for them to not even mention it, positively or negatively tells me there is more to this story behind the scenes. I have read other articles regarding MPG and VCM, both for and against. I would have assumed Edmonds would have at least mentioned it.
The good news is that I am going car shopping this weekend. I bought my wife a Lexus ES350 back in the summer and she loves it. I like driving it much more than my car. Provided I don't take to much of a loss, bye bye Honda. It is sad since I have been driving these cars for almost 20 years. But enough is enough.
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Re: The Joys of Honda VCM [elroy5] by sunnfun
Jan 09, 2009 (11:26 am)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jan 09, 2009 10:38 am)

For the record, I did do a test drive on local roads. That was my mistake. Had Honda been honest from the beginning, I would have taken it on the highway. I never felt anything (and still don't) driving locally. I have since driven 5 (2 of which were 2009's) and they all do the same exact thing as mine. Even the Tech said they all do it. The issue is how attentive the driver is to their cars as to whether they feel it or not. Again, my issue is not with people who like their car. It is with Honda who won't take responsibilty for this issue, and for people who criticize me for my comments about my car and the VCM. Hopefully, this will all be a moot point very soon.
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Re: The Joys of Honda VCM [sunnfun] by elroy5
Jan 09, 2009 (11:58 am)
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Replying to: sunnfun (Jan 09, 2009 11:26 am)

I have since driven 5 (2 of which were 2009's) and they all do the same exact thing as mine.
 
So what you are saying is, All VCM Accords do it, and all of these testers were oblivious to it? As irritating as you all say VCM is, don't you think the testers would have noticed it? And commented on it? Do you think the testers felt the vibrations, and surging, and decided not to say anything, in effect lieing to the readers?
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Re: The Joys of Honda VCM [hondalvr1] by elroy5
Jan 09, 2009 (12:50 pm)
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I am not disputing the fact that "some" cars have vibrations, or surging. I do not agree that "they are all the same". They say they've test driven many different cars (08 & 09 models), and "they all do it". If "they all do it", why didn't the Edmunds reviewers feel it?
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Re: The Joys of Honda VCM [elroy5] by sunnfun
Jan 09, 2009 (1:55 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jan 09, 2009 12:50 pm)

I was planning on my next post being about my as of yet new purchase but I just have to respond to this. I am sure that there are some people (not saying you) that believe everything they read in the media and they assume that all journalist and media persons are on the up and up. I can assure you, through experience, they are not. I am not in anyway saying the persons noted in the review are not being honest. I am saying there could be influences that help to define the story. Now why they did not write ONE thing, good or bad about the VCM, I can't say for sure. And considering Honda changed it's marketing, I find it suspicious. I can tell you that Honda does read this board. Maybe this would be a question for Pat or Karen.
 
Pat/Karen - would you be willing to disclose what type of relationship Edmunds has with Honda? Is it financial or some other type of agreement with Honda?
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Re: The Joys of Honda VCM [sunnfun] by elliott2
Jan 09, 2009 (5:31 pm)
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Replying to: sunnfun (Jan 09, 2009 1:55 pm)

You may find the following review interesting: http://www.cars.com/go/crp/research.jsp?revid=53936&indcriteria=ASSET_TYPE-Affil- iate+Review%2cBuying+Guide%2cVehicle+Profile%7cM-_18_%7cD-_212_%7cY-_2008_%7cres- ultStructure-combined&revlogtype=19&makeid=18&modelid=212&year=2008&myid=&revlog- type=19&section=reviews&mode=&aff=national
 
Meanwhile the parts to fix the noise and vibration on my 08 Accord are on back order. According to the parts dept at our local Honda dealership, the parts were not in stock "due to the number of Accords needing the same repair."
 
My previous Accord was an '03 and it did not have the problems that many others had with that particular model year. I don't expect perfection in a product that is mass produced; however, I do expect the manufacturer to step to the plate, address the problem, and at least attempt to satisfy the customer. So far, Honda's response has been less than you'd expect from a company whose past reputation was built on quality.

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