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Honda Accord, Transmission, Sedan
#2006 of 2720 Re: The Joys of Honda VCM [dpmeersman]
Jan 06, 2009 (9:30 am)
I think you are right on the money.....many of the complainers appear to be repeat Honda owners, and in some cases are long time Honda loyalists.
I've owned a bunch of Accords in my lifetime....1982, 1986, 1990, 1994, 1997 (all sedans), 2003 coupe, and my current 2008 coupe. I agree that this current Accord is very different in the areas of driving dynamics, size, handling, and engine noise. Accords have always had road noise, but this current drivetrain has a coarser and more powerful sound. (Probably because it is a larger and stronger motor, plus maybe the VCM adds a dimension of sound or vibration as well.)
This current car also does not have the same high revving characteristic of previous generations. My 2003 and 2008 coupes also feel very different, even though both are 6speeds. To be honest, they don't even feel like they are that much related. Previous Accords felt lighter and more nimble, and this one simply feels big. But on average, that's what American drivers want. There is a reason why we get this version, while the rest of the world gets one more similar to the smaller and more efficient Acura TSX.
#2007 of 2720 Re: The Joys of Honda VCM [cstiles]
Jan 06, 2009 (12:01 pm)
You covered all the salient points. The short answer is - drive one before buying to see if it is noticeable, tolerable, intolerable, annoying etc. to you. Again, however, I would emphasize - if the car you test feels fine to you, buy THAT car and no other, because of possible variations in production tolerances that may make VCM more noticeable in one car than another.
And too I question what VCM has done to Honda performance. 268 HP now revised to 271HP with 0-60 times in the mid 7's according to Edmunds comparison test with the Mazda6 and the Nissan Altima. Beware V6 Honda drivers - V6 Camrys and Mazdas will blow your doors off by a full second or more to 60 and with sub 15 second 1/4 miles versus your 15.5+
#2008 of 2720 Re: The Joys of Honda VCM [cstiles]
Jan 06, 2009 (12:10 pm)
I think you are seeing the effects of engine enlargement. 3.0 seems to be the optimum for smoothness, power and effortless high RPM in a V6 for some reason I am sure an engineer could explain. That plus the fact that we are talking about 90 degree V6s which need balance shafts to smooth out their inherent harmonic imbalance could have something to do with it. A 60 degree V6 is inherently balanced - trouble is it is taller than a 90 degree V6 and offers a different set of challenges with a front drive car and to the designers.
Similar problem with inline 4s - get larger than 2.5 liters and they start getting rough, no matter WHO the manufacturer.
#2009 of 2720 Re: The Joys of Honda VCM [hondalvr1]
Jan 06, 2009 (12:12 pm)
Most V-6 buyers aren't drag racers and they don't care.
The V-6's tend to attract older customers and people who think they really need that extra power. Me? I think the 4 bangers are more than up to the task.
But, that's me.
#2010 of 2720 Re: The Joys of Honda VCM [isellhondas]
Jan 06, 2009 (12:36 pm)
"Most V-6 buyers aren't drag racers and they don't care."
Be interesting to see the demographics. Having driven as long as I have I personally feel that there is safety value in having extra power - I have expereinced the need for it from time to time in emergencies to get out of the way of someone or something. Many people simply react by braking in all emergency situations, when applying more power would be the better and safer alternative.
A 190 HP 4 cylinder with AT in a 3400+ pound car? Uh...no. A 177 HP 4 cylinder? Even worse. Lose 700 pounds and then I would say you are ok. E.G. the Series 1 Acura Legend - 161 HP V6 in a 2800 pound car. In that case there was plenty of power. The 240 HP in a 2700 pound S2000? More than enough.
4 wheel anti lock disc brakes? Great - conversely the engine should have equal "go" power.
#2011 of 2720 Re: The Joys of Honda VCM [hondalvr1]
Jan 06, 2009 (1:04 pm)
OK, we disagree but that's OK.
I don't want to admit to the number of years and number of miules I have under my belt including a period in my life when I would do 35,000 miles a year in Los Angeles traffic.
I can't honestly remember even once using power to get me out of a jam excelt of one time when I got out of the way of a guy who had run a red light and was heading for my driver's door. The Dodge Intrepid (no powerhouse) I was driving did the job.
But, some people feel as you do and for those people we do make V-6's
#2012 of 2720 Re: The Joys of Honda VCM [isellhondas]
Jan 06, 2009 (1:31 pm)
"The Dodge Intrepid (no powerhouse) I was driving did the job."
3.5 liter OHC V6 214 HP - it moved pretty good, and lots of torque, which many people overlook as the primary factor in acceleration.
#2013 of 2720 Re: The Joys of Honda VCM [hondalvr1]
Jan 06, 2009 (2:44 pm)
Still, a 190 HP 4 banger Accord would have done as well I think.
Hey, if a person feels strongly about the "need" for a V-6, I have no argument with them. I just think the fours are more than adequate and I'm not alone in my thinking. We sell a whole lot more fours than sixes.
#2014 of 2720 Re: The Joys of Honda VCM [isellhondas]
Jan 07, 2009 (3:24 am)
No, I agree with you, most Honda drivers find the 4 cylinders adequate for their driving needs and demands, plus they avoid this whole VCM issue altogether.
Depends on your driving style, habits and location. I drive in heavy traffic and feel the need for the extra power almost daily. Were I in a rural or light traffic area I am sure the 4 would suit my purposes just fine. Where are you located?
#2015 of 2720 Re: The Joys of Honda VCM [hondalvr1]
Jan 07, 2009 (5:54 am)
I'm in a suburb of Seattle and we have LOTS of traffic!