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2179 messages, Last post on Nov 19, 2009 at 8:41 AM
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Replying to: sunnfun (Jan 02, 2009 4:09 am)
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Replying to: jhinsc (Jan 02, 2009 5:02 am) When did I ever take offense to you have a good experience with your VCM? 2nd - you inserted yourself into a conversation that had nothing to do with you. I'm glad your car works for you and now everybody here knows that. Please move on.
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Replying to: sunnfun (Jan 02, 2009 4:09 am) All I have ever said is, I have never felt this "problem", I have never had a customer mention it and our Service Dept. has never heard of it. Only in this format have I heard of it. Sorry if that bothers anyone. And, yeah, I can stand up for myself. Thanks!
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Replying to: holew (Jan 01, 2009 11:46 pm) I am happy your experiences with your VCM equipped Honda have been without annoyance and apparently live up to what Honda HAD advertised - that its performance is "seamless and unnoticeable by passengers", before they changed it to "nearly seamless" in recognition of truth in advertising. But it is posts like yours that get the blood boiling for those of us whose experiences with our $30,000 cars have been anything BUT "seamless". We do not call into question your experiences - we applaud them and congratulate you on having a car that performs as promised. Why can you not simply accept then too that there are many of us whose experiences are quite the opposite? There is no conspiracy among us to "defame" Honda. Defamation is uttering a falsehood that causes economic injury. Our experiences are every bit as real and truthful as yours, and in many cases from owners who have been long loyal Honda owners like myself. Since my first Honda in 1981, I have owned over a dozen Honda/Acura vehhicles, I4s and V6s - 2.7, 3.0, 3.2 liters, auto and manual transmissions, and have influenced family members in the purchase of at least another half dozen Hondas. It was based on this blind faith in Honda that I (foolishly I now know) bought my 2008 EXL V6 Sedan without even a test drive. Does my car squeak and rattle as others have complained about? No. Do I hear the gas sloshing around in the tank? No. Does my rear package shelf rattle with the radio on? No. BUT, does the car "surge" or seem to "hunt" for a mode of cylinder operation at highway cruising speeds of 70-75 MPH? Without a doubt. A constant sense of the car not knowing what mode to be in - almost like the transmission hunting in and out of overdrive. These are not allegations as you suggest - these are the truth, based on over a million miles of driving experience with sports cars, hi performance cars, sedans, auto trannys, manuals, rear engines, mid engines, air cooled, just about any combination of drivetrain and engine type you can imagine. It is annoying as all get out - and Honda's response? It is "operating within normal limits". Oh, the dealers acknowledge that what I sense IS there - but say it is normal. Well, shame on me. I trusted a manufacturer to deliver true to its advertising - especially Honda in which I had so much faith and trust. Yet regardless of my past brand loyalty do you think they would treat me just perhaps a LITTLE bit better than most owners? Nope - they kissed me off just like they have everyone else posting here with similar experiences. So, there is no plot to defame Honda. They have brought upon themselves the truth of the VCM - it is NOT seamless. It is annoying at best, intolerable at worst. I cannot right now afford to take a hit on my car as I have had to on my house or I would get rid of it in a heart beat. "If this were a problem I would have thought I would have experienced it along with all the others on this message board" WHY? These are cars from an assembly line built within production tolerances - they WILL vary from one to another. It is inescapable logic to me that you can conclude that because YOU have not experienced the surging and vibrations complained of that they do not exist on our cars. From the posts on this board it appears to me that the 'seamlessness" of the VCM varies considerably from vehicle to vehicle, and driver to driver based on sensitivity to the operation of the car. Anyone considering the car should drive one extensively and if they do not experience the sensations complained of here, they should buy that very car - do NOT buy a VCM equipped car without driving THAT car - because its operation noticeablity seems to vary so much. But sir, please do not insult the rest of us with posts like this. Congratulations on having a "good " VCM equipped car. Post about your individual good experiences, fine, but do not accuse the rest of us being part of a "plot to defame Honda" just because you have not experienced what we have. At least be sympathetic to those of us whose cars are NOT performing like yours. Happy motoring to all. |
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Replying to: isellhondas (Jan 02, 2009 7:38 am) Second - check out temple of vtec for other posts about VCM problems and READ all the road tests where testers note the issue as well before you sit here and deny having heard anything negative about VCM other than here. I guess as long as you choose NOT to read them you do post honestly - ignorance is bliss as they say - but the road tests are all out there for everyone to read. Try it yourself. |
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Replying to: sunnfun (Jan 02, 2009 7:07 am) Already did - thanks!
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Replying to: jhinsc (Jan 02, 2009 8:58 am) When we stopped at a stop sign, he asked me what was in the trunk that was moving back and forth. The trunk was empty, the movement was caused by the gas sloshing in the tank (the tank was full, the sloshing disappears around 3/4th of a tank). Bottom line: ordered new engine mounts to re-direct the vibration caused when there are less than 6 cylinders firing and a noise cancellation module to mute the sound caused by the non-firing cylinders. The Honda tech line told the mechanic that there is nothing they could do about the gas tank, the baffles apparently do not extend as high as they should in the tank to prevent the gas from sloshing when the tank is near full. We've had the car 13 months, 10,000 miles. Counting down the days to trade it for something else.
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Replying to: elliott2 (Jan 03, 2009 11:37 am) I would be interested to draw a demographic profile of those Accord owners who are having VCM issues on Edmunds. It appears they are almost 100% male, but do we have any VCM owners under the age of 40, for example? Those who have admitted to age have indicated older ages....like 55...60...75. Is there a propensity for older male drivers who are complaining about this phenomenon? Or do we have any 20 or 30 yr olds (or females?) who absolutely loathe VCM? If yes, please come out and identify yourselves! I own a 6speed Accord which has no VCM. However, I've personally test driven 4 different VCM-equipped Accords in the past year, and although I can certainly sense the cylinders cycling on/off in accordance with the ECO light, to me it is not an annoying or seriously violent sensation. But I can also understand how some people may be annoyed by it, and feel that Big Brother is controlling their driving behavior. This Accord must be driven a certain way to minimize vibration and maximize gas mileage. It's just a different kind of car. It's not a defective car, but one boasting a different technology that rewards a certain driving style. If you fight it, I can see how it can annoy a driver to no end. The descriptions from those who dislike VCM are also not consistent for the most part. Some feel there is a grade logic transmission issue, some say it feels like a wheel is out of alignment, some feel the engine mounts are the culprits, and for some the problem miraculously disappeared. Several independent reviews of this car have noted the VCM operation, but nothing like the strong descriptors on this forum. Most of the reviews of this car (like the one on Edmunds' long term test) are positive reviews. The car continues to sell relatively well, in a weak economy. Do an Internet search and Edmunds is the only site that lists negative comments in any real volume. The ones on VTEC.NET were posted by the same individual who used to be on Edmunds, but who disappeared after multiple argumentative posts and warnings. There are 3 consistent variables....(1) these comments are almost exclusively limited to this Edmunds forum, (2) the complaints are not consistent and do not suggest a single source of the problem, and (3) in nearly every case, Honda is stating to the owner that the operation is normal. Honda acknowledges that VCM operation is perceptible, but that this sensation is a normal part of this car. The change to their advertising literature is not relevant, in my humble opinion. No automotive drivetrain is totally seamless. You can feel and hear the engine in EVERY automobile. But for a small minority of Accord owners, it's obvious that VCM clearly elicits violently negative opinions. A very interesting and real phenomenon. |
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Replying to: cstiles (Jan 05, 2009 6:50 pm) You summed things up nicely. |
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Replying to: cstiles (Jan 05, 2009 6:50 pm) What I am most interested in, is whether there are different experiences concerning VCM operation, by drivers of the SAME CAR. Does one find VCM maddening, and another barely notice it? Are there any new entries, in the long term test? I can't seem to find it, and all I get is the introduction. Are the final results a secret?
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