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Replying to: elliott2 (Jan 01, 2009 4:46 am) I made the decision to move away from the Maxima, had 7 new ones since 1985 and pretty much loved them all till my 2001 anniversary edition. Nissan dropped the ball when building/designing this unit, hence my Nissan defection. If there are issues prevelant on this '08 accord I want to see Honda Executives be proactive and take care of these customer issues or I will not be purchasing 7 new Honda Accords and will hit the research mkt again. So where are your 'executive responses' Mr Honda executive dude? Doesn't Japanese culture demand you to respond to those with issues who decided to invest in the Honda brand? Time to save face. Please do not begin to fall down that slippery slope of not caring about your clients like the American auto industry has done for years. You see where that client service attitude got them. |
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Replying to: elliott2 (Dec 31, 2008 9:51 am) No you don't, but when someone like me who has had a great experience with VCM does post, someone like sunnfun and others take offense to it, thinking we either don't believe them, or what we are saying is not true. Isell's comments are a counterpoint to many of you posting here and I believe what he says is just as valid as everyone else's. He does not attack anyone, but he brings balance to the discussion. I'm not discounting anyone's experiences, but this discussion appears to be a bit one-sided. There are 2 sides, maybe more to every story. Trying to add a little balance to the discussion does no harm to anyone, but if all it does is create a retaliatory response, I have to question the responder's motives.
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Replying to: elliott2 (Jan 01, 2009 4:46 am) The V6 VCM engine is as smooth as the V8 in my LS430 Lexus. I have to laugh at your writing that the surge problem of the VCM Honda engine is one of the most documented complaints. Yes, i know there have been a lot of messages on this board about the VCM but they are from relatively few people. I find it most unusual that I have never had any of the problems you have indicated. My car was one of the first made for 2008. If this were a problem I would have thought I would have experienced it along with all the others on this message board. It would be interesting to see how many owners of an 08 VCM Honda have not experienced this problem. You can put me down as number one. I am wondering why Honda does not add a feature to this engine to allow it to run on one or two cylinders when at idle such as at a traffic light. Surely that would same additional fuel.
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Replying to: jhinsc (Jan 01, 2009 7:12 pm)
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Replying to: holew (Jan 01, 2009 11:46 pm) I resigned to accept Honda Motor is not going to do anything about our complain. Honda Motor is resigned to loss us as their customers. In the meantime I am gets up set when I drive on the highway when it reach 55 to 63 the vibration and the sound is driving me nuts. I want to sell the car but it loss too much money so I decided to keep this lemon and decided to leave Honda Motor after over twenty-five years . We will never buy another Honda Motor car. I also suggest to people to make sure to test drive on highway before they make their decision to buy a Honda car. I understand the same engines are used in 2009 Honda Accord. |
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Replying to: sunnfun (Jan 02, 2009 4:09 am)
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Replying to: jhinsc (Jan 02, 2009 5:02 am) When did I ever take offense to you have a good experience with your VCM? 2nd - you inserted yourself into a conversation that had nothing to do with you. I'm glad your car works for you and now everybody here knows that. Please move on.
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Replying to: sunnfun (Jan 02, 2009 4:09 am) All I have ever said is, I have never felt this "problem", I have never had a customer mention it and our Service Dept. has never heard of it. Only in this format have I heard of it. Sorry if that bothers anyone. And, yeah, I can stand up for myself. Thanks!
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Replying to: holew (Jan 01, 2009 11:46 pm) I am happy your experiences with your VCM equipped Honda have been without annoyance and apparently live up to what Honda HAD advertised - that its performance is "seamless and unnoticeable by passengers", before they changed it to "nearly seamless" in recognition of truth in advertising. But it is posts like yours that get the blood boiling for those of us whose experiences with our $30,000 cars have been anything BUT "seamless". We do not call into question your experiences - we applaud them and congratulate you on having a car that performs as promised. Why can you not simply accept then too that there are many of us whose experiences are quite the opposite? There is no conspiracy among us to "defame" Honda. Defamation is uttering a falsehood that causes economic injury. Our experiences are every bit as real and truthful as yours, and in many cases from owners who have been long loyal Honda owners like myself. Since my first Honda in 1981, I have owned over a dozen Honda/Acura vehhicles, I4s and V6s - 2.7, 3.0, 3.2 liters, auto and manual transmissions, and have influenced family members in the purchase of at least another half dozen Hondas. It was based on this blind faith in Honda that I (foolishly I now know) bought my 2008 EXL V6 Sedan without even a test drive. Does my car squeak and rattle as others have complained about? No. Do I hear the gas sloshing around in the tank? No. Does my rear package shelf rattle with the radio on? No. BUT, does the car "surge" or seem to "hunt" for a mode of cylinder operation at highway cruising speeds of 70-75 MPH? Without a doubt. A constant sense of the car not knowing what mode to be in - almost like the transmission hunting in and out of overdrive. These are not allegations as you suggest - these are the truth, based on over a million miles of driving experience with sports cars, hi performance cars, sedans, auto trannys, manuals, rear engines, mid engines, air cooled, just about any combination of drivetrain and engine type you can imagine. It is annoying as all get out - and Honda's response? It is "operating within normal limits". Oh, the dealers acknowledge that what I sense IS there - but say it is normal. Well, shame on me. I trusted a manufacturer to deliver true to its advertising - especially Honda in which I had so much faith and trust. Yet regardless of my past brand loyalty do you think they would treat me just perhaps a LITTLE bit better than most owners? Nope - they kissed me off just like they have everyone else posting here with similar experiences. So, there is no plot to defame Honda. They have brought upon themselves the truth of the VCM - it is NOT seamless. It is annoying at best, intolerable at worst. I cannot right now afford to take a hit on my car as I have had to on my house or I would get rid of it in a heart beat. "If this were a problem I would have thought I would have experienced it along with all the others on this message board" WHY? These are cars from an assembly line built within production tolerances - they WILL vary from one to another. It is inescapable logic to me that you can conclude that because YOU have not experienced the surging and vibrations complained of that they do not exist on our cars. From the posts on this board it appears to me that the 'seamlessness" of the VCM varies considerably from vehicle to vehicle, and driver to driver based on sensitivity to the operation of the car. Anyone considering the car should drive one extensively and if they do not experience the sensations complained of here, they should buy that very car - do NOT buy a VCM equipped car without driving THAT car - because its operation noticeablity seems to vary so much. But sir, please do not insult the rest of us with posts like this. Congratulations on having a "good " VCM equipped car. Post about your individual good experiences, fine, but do not accuse the rest of us being part of a "plot to defame Honda" just because you have not experienced what we have. At least be sympathetic to those of us whose cars are NOT performing like yours. Happy motoring to all. |
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Replying to: isellhondas (Jan 02, 2009 7:38 am) Second - check out temple of vtec for other posts about VCM problems and READ all the road tests where testers note the issue as well before you sit here and deny having heard anything negative about VCM other than here. I guess as long as you choose NOT to read them you do post honestly - ignorance is bliss as they say - but the road tests are all out there for everyone to read. Try it yourself. |
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