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Re: Thanks for the Heads Up [merlion0821] by isellhondas
Dec 24, 2008 (3:28 pm)
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Replying to: merlion0821 (Dec 24, 2008 3:14 pm)

Are you sure Acura doesn't use VCM too?
 
I swear that I nor anyone in our store has heard of this.
 
I had a customer months ago..." I'm afraid to buy a V-6 Accord because they have this horrible problem"
 
The customer told me I could read all about it right here and I did.
 
At that point, I took two different cars out and I tried my darndest to replicate this problem and I felt nothing. I invited the customer in and he did the same thing...felt nothing.
 
So, I really don't know because I've never felt it.
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Re: Thanks for the Heads Up [isellhondas] by pat HOST
Dec 24, 2008 (5:21 pm)
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Replying to: isellhondas (Dec 24, 2008 3:28 pm)

We established a long time ago in this discussion that there are some people who are affected by this, but that most are not. I'm glad that it's something that neither you nor any of your customers have run into, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist at all.
 
That said, I completely agree with you that if people are otherwise interested in the 6 cylinder 08+ Accord they should test drive it and find out for themselves how it responds. Seems to me that to rule it out without trying it runs the risk of missing out on a car that might well suit the buyer, especially since it is clear that it just isn't something that affects many people.
 
In any case, let me wish everyone the happiest of holiday seasons!!
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Re: Thanks for the Heads Up [isellhondas] by merlion0821
Dec 24, 2008 (5:28 pm)
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Replying to: isellhondas (Dec 24, 2008 3:28 pm)

Yes, I'm positive that the TL does not have the VCM technology.
 
I was actually aware of some peoples concerns with the VCM in the Accord prior to my purchase, and test drove a V-6 extensively. Unfortunately, I chose to upgrade to an EX-L to get the leather interior at the last minute, and did not test drive the exact car I bought.
 
The vehicle I test drove was an EX with the V-6, and it didn't seem to have any of the same problems my vehicle exhibits. When I mentioned this to my salesman when he followed up after the sale he developed quite an attitude. He said "what do you expect, mechanical systems such as VCM will give mechanical feelings when they operate". So much for the "seamless" comment in the brochure.Needless to say, I will never buy another car from that salesman, or dealer, again.
 
I agree, there are V-6's out there that do not have the problems some have complained about, and probably the majority of them don't. But that begs the question, what is the difference in the ones that do exhibit the problems, and why can't anything be done to correct the problems? Why won't Honda acknowledge that a problem even may exist?
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Re: Thanks for the Heads Up [merlion0821] by elroy5
Dec 24, 2008 (8:24 pm)
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Replying to: merlion0821 (Dec 24, 2008 5:28 pm)

I agree, there are V-6's out there that do not have the problems some have complained about, and probably the majority of them don't. But that begs the question, what is the difference in the ones that do exhibit the problems, and why can't anything be done to correct the problems? Why won't Honda acknowledge that a problem even may exist?
 
This is just my own theory, but.... All these engines probably don't run exactly the same in 3 or 4 cylinder mode. Some run smoother than others. Some of the (active) engine mounts may not work as well as others. Honda may be reluctant to change the engines and or mounts in some cars, fearing everyone with VCM that feels even the slightest vibrations will want a new engine. Turning a small problem, into a much larger, and more costly one. I think some engines match up better with their respective VCM systems than others, and it doesn't take much to screw it up.
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Thanks for the Heads Up [elroy5] by elliott2
Dec 25, 2008 (4:46 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Dec 24, 2008 8:24 pm)

My 2008 Accord is going back to service next week. The service dept. and the factory rep keep telling me that the vibration is a "normal characteristic" of the VCM. (an obvious acknowledgement that there is a problem). I'm not certain that it's the engine alone or whether the torque converter lockup is engaging at too low of a speed. Driving around town at lower speeds can be really annoying as the engine seems to be searching for a speed and the transmission keeps adjusting.
 
At any rate, the service manager and I will be going for a long drive next week so that they can try to figure it out. Driving my daughter's 2005 Accord today made me realize that I probably won't keep this car very long; it's too annoying.
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Re: Thanks for the Heads Up [elliott2] by jhinsc
Dec 25, 2008 (5:46 pm)
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Replying to: elliott2 (Dec 25, 2008 4:46 pm)

The service dept. and the factory rep keep telling me that the vibration is a "normal characteristic" of the VCM. (an obvious acknowledgement that there is a problem).
 
In what way is this an obvious acknowledgement?
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Re: Thanks for the Heads Up [jhinsc] by hondaacc09
Dec 26, 2008 (2:50 pm)
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Replying to: jhinsc (Dec 25, 2008 5:46 pm)

That ("normal characteristic" of the VCM) was the same answer I've got from Honda technician who went on a test drive with me when I asked them to check the car for the shuddering problem.
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Re: Thanks for the Heads Up [jhinsc] by anthonyy
Dec 26, 2008 (6:10 pm)
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Replying to: jhinsc (Dec 25, 2008 5:46 pm)

Each time I drive the Honda Accord on the highway I get very upset when I feel the vibration when reaching speeds between 50 mph to 62 mph. I am 76 years old , for the past 60 years I drove many cars made by many different car makers. For the last twenty five years I drove only Honda cars . I never drove a new car that vibrated when it reached 55 to 62 mph, Honda Accord is the first. I tried my best to have Honda Motors correct this problem but they just refused to accept the responsibility. Instead, Honda Motors' response was: " This vibration is normal...." Without resolve, I have no choice but to advise all my friends and family members not to purchase a Honda.
 
Whoever is considering the purchase of a new car, I highly recommend they do not take the chance of buying a Honda. Do go to Toyota or Nissan as they will provide you with good service and stand behind their product and reputation. After all you do not see any complaints about Nissan or Toyota.
 
 Since the purchase of a new car is a considerable investment it is better for you to try Toyota Motors or Nissan.
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Re: Thanks for the Heads Up [anthonyy] by isellhondas
Dec 26, 2008 (6:38 pm)
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Replying to: anthonyy (Dec 26, 2008 6:10 pm)

" After all you do not see any complaints about Nissan or Toyota"
 
I''m not too sure about that. If you visit their boards ther will bound to be people unhappy about something. No car make is immune form this.
 
You sound like a loyal Honda owner and I am sorry you are unhappy with your car.
 
When you said you get a vibration between 50 and 62 MPH, that sure sounds like it could be a wheel balance issue. Have you checked this?

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