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Re: Thanks for the Heads Up [elliott2] by jhinsc
Dec 23, 2008 (8:20 pm)
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Replying to: elliott2 (Dec 23, 2008 4:06 pm)

I don't know what to say about your problems since I'm having a completely different experience with my car. I haven't heard anything about a torque converter problem. I don't know what you mean by cylinders misfiring because if it actually happens, that would cause emission problems with fouled up oxygen sensors and catalytic converters, and the EPA would all over that. Everyday I see more new Accords, both 4 and 6 cyl's on the road. Honda must be doing something right!
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re. VCM Problem by jhu1972
Dec 23, 2008 (11:21 pm)
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I have driven my 2008 V6 Accord Coupe for 5 months and have not experienced any problems with the VCM. I notice when it engages because I see the light go on. There is a slight difference in engine sound, almost like a gear shift. If not for the light, I probably wouldn't even notice.
Re. the vibration problem. I haven't experienced one situation where I had any kind of vibration problem.
As another poster stated, I don't deny that some cars do have problems but I have experienced none of them. I would not discourage someone from buying a V6 but I would point them to this forum and encourage them to take a test drive at varying speeds and conditions.
The only thing I would do differently is wait for a 6-speed to be available instead of the automatic that I bought.
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Thanks for the Heads Up [jhinsc] by elliott2
Dec 24, 2008 (12:02 pm)
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Replying to: jhinsc (Dec 23, 2008 8:20 pm)

That's great that you're not having problems. We had absolutely no problems with our 2003 Accord; however, it had several recalls and received one of lower ratings from Consumer Reports for a Honda. Apparently we were lucky. The 2003 engine and transmission were much smoother than the 2008.
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Re: Thanks for the Heads Up [keitha3] by isellhondas
Dec 24, 2008 (2:15 pm)
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Replying to: keitha3 (Dec 23, 2008 9:25 am)

I'm sure some people won't believe me...I really don't care but, after all of these postings. I have yet to hear ONE customer complainn about this. I have driven, literally dozens of V-6 Accords and I have NEVER ONCE felt this. None of the other salespeople have heard of a complaint and as of the last time I asked, not one of our Service Advisors of managers had heard of this.
 
They had no idea what in the world I was talking about.
 
I'm not saying it isn't real but we are a high volume store and we know nothing about this.
 
Problems tend to get amplified and overblown in forums like this so I would suggest before taking a great car off your list, go DRIVE one and see for yourself.
 
Personally I happen to think the 4 cylinder engines are more than adequate for the majority of people.
 
Happy Holidays to all!
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Re: Thanks for the Heads Up [isellhondas] by merlion0821
Dec 24, 2008 (3:14 pm)
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Replying to: isellhondas (Dec 24, 2008 2:15 pm)

Oh, it's real, although I wish it weren't. Other than the VCM operation being extremely annoying, I really like this car. That being said, I just can't see myself living with this car long term.
 
I'm looking at trading on an '09 Acura TL, and most likely will lose a few thousand in the deal since I've only had the car 10 months.
 
If there are a vast majority of the V-6 Accords out there that are "okay", why can't Honda find out what is wrong with the ones that aren't and correct the problem?
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Re: Thanks for the Heads Up [merlion0821] by isellhondas
Dec 24, 2008 (3:28 pm)
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Replying to: merlion0821 (Dec 24, 2008 3:14 pm)

Are you sure Acura doesn't use VCM too?
 
I swear that I nor anyone in our store has heard of this.
 
I had a customer months ago..." I'm afraid to buy a V-6 Accord because they have this horrible problem"
 
The customer told me I could read all about it right here and I did.
 
At that point, I took two different cars out and I tried my darndest to replicate this problem and I felt nothing. I invited the customer in and he did the same thing...felt nothing.
 
So, I really don't know because I've never felt it.
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Re: Thanks for the Heads Up [isellhondas] by pat HOST
Dec 24, 2008 (5:21 pm)
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Replying to: isellhondas (Dec 24, 2008 3:28 pm)

We established a long time ago in this discussion that there are some people who are affected by this, but that most are not. I'm glad that it's something that neither you nor any of your customers have run into, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist at all.
 
That said, I completely agree with you that if people are otherwise interested in the 6 cylinder 08+ Accord they should test drive it and find out for themselves how it responds. Seems to me that to rule it out without trying it runs the risk of missing out on a car that might well suit the buyer, especially since it is clear that it just isn't something that affects many people.
 
In any case, let me wish everyone the happiest of holiday seasons!!
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Re: Thanks for the Heads Up [isellhondas] by merlion0821
Dec 24, 2008 (5:28 pm)
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Replying to: isellhondas (Dec 24, 2008 3:28 pm)

Yes, I'm positive that the TL does not have the VCM technology.
 
I was actually aware of some peoples concerns with the VCM in the Accord prior to my purchase, and test drove a V-6 extensively. Unfortunately, I chose to upgrade to an EX-L to get the leather interior at the last minute, and did not test drive the exact car I bought.
 
The vehicle I test drove was an EX with the V-6, and it didn't seem to have any of the same problems my vehicle exhibits. When I mentioned this to my salesman when he followed up after the sale he developed quite an attitude. He said "what do you expect, mechanical systems such as VCM will give mechanical feelings when they operate". So much for the "seamless" comment in the brochure.Needless to say, I will never buy another car from that salesman, or dealer, again.
 
I agree, there are V-6's out there that do not have the problems some have complained about, and probably the majority of them don't. But that begs the question, what is the difference in the ones that do exhibit the problems, and why can't anything be done to correct the problems? Why won't Honda acknowledge that a problem even may exist?
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Re: Thanks for the Heads Up [merlion0821] by elroy5
Dec 24, 2008 (8:24 pm)
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Replying to: merlion0821 (Dec 24, 2008 5:28 pm)

I agree, there are V-6's out there that do not have the problems some have complained about, and probably the majority of them don't. But that begs the question, what is the difference in the ones that do exhibit the problems, and why can't anything be done to correct the problems? Why won't Honda acknowledge that a problem even may exist?
 
This is just my own theory, but.... All these engines probably don't run exactly the same in 3 or 4 cylinder mode. Some run smoother than others. Some of the (active) engine mounts may not work as well as others. Honda may be reluctant to change the engines and or mounts in some cars, fearing everyone with VCM that feels even the slightest vibrations will want a new engine. Turning a small problem, into a much larger, and more costly one. I think some engines match up better with their respective VCM systems than others, and it doesn't take much to screw it up.
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Thanks for the Heads Up [elroy5] by elliott2
Dec 25, 2008 (4:46 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Dec 24, 2008 8:24 pm)

My 2008 Accord is going back to service next week. The service dept. and the factory rep keep telling me that the vibration is a "normal characteristic" of the VCM. (an obvious acknowledgement that there is a problem). I'm not certain that it's the engine alone or whether the torque converter lockup is engaging at too low of a speed. Driving around town at lower speeds can be really annoying as the engine seems to be searching for a speed and the transmission keeps adjusting.
 
At any rate, the service manager and I will be going for a long drive next week so that they can try to figure it out. Driving my daughter's 2005 Accord today made me realize that I probably won't keep this car very long; it's too annoying.

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