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Re: [robotaz2]
by thegraduate
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Nov 03, 2008 (8:03 am)
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Replying to: robotaz2 (Nov 03, 2008 7:43 am)
It is very hard to believe that Honda would knowingly do this, but I'm sure it boils down to getting something for CAFE standards being met or something that benefits Honda and not the consumer because there is no way on earth that they think people want this.
Since all cars aren't saddled with the issue, its obvious to me that they did something right. It can be done and implemented beautifully. Some have issues, a sign that they have also done something wrong. The trouble is actually figuring out the component(s) causing the problem. It can't simply be by "chance" that the technology works in some cars and not in others; there must be a specific difference or set of differences.
I'm sorry your car is one with the troubles. All I can say is raise as much of a stink as you can with your dealer, as well as with Honda Corporate. Open a case with them. I'm sure someone will be happy to post the number of Honda's 1-800 number to call the corporate office.
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Re: 2008 Honda Accord [robotaz2]
by monkey322
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Nov 03, 2008 (10:58 am)
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Replying to: robotaz2 (Nov 03, 2008 7:50 am)
In my opinion it is far too complicated a system for mass production and that is what is happening - standard deviations from production tolerances are enough to cause vehicles to have these issues. Active engine mounts, anti noise cancellation in the radio system, an engine going from a V6 to a V4 to in line 3 is BOUND to have serious vibration issues which if any one, let alone more than one, of these "systems" designed to counter the engine issues, is not working properly, let alone half shaft and or tire imbalances in the front drive and steering wheels (this would probably not be so noticeable an issue if, as with GM cars so equipped, it was driving the rear wheels) you will have the unpleasant issues others here have reported. All I can say is hopefully some of you will experience what I read someone else did on this forum - their car sort of cured itself at about 3000 miles. I believe I recall reading that that owner too had had similar issues - surging, "hunting" etc. that all sort of smoothed out. The thinking there was, and it makes sense to me too, was that the active engine mounts "broke in" and began doing what they were supposed to do properly.
Here's hoping you all experience the same.
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Re: 2008 Honda Accord [monkey322]
by thegraduate
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Nov 03, 2008 (3:06 pm)
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Replying to: monkey322 (Nov 03, 2008 10:58 am)
I'd like to note that I haven't read of any problems of this sort in the Odyssey van with 6-4-3 VCM. Doesn't mean they don't exist, its just a bit of anecdotal evidence to chew on.
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Re: 2008 Honda Accord [thegraduate]
by monkey322
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Nov 04, 2008 (7:22 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 03, 2008 3:06 pm)
I don't know why not but again - like the GM vehicles, although not RWD, the Odyssey is a much heavier vehicle - perhaps that compensates for it, and until now its use in the Odyssey was limited to a particular model trim level, again, reducing the potential number of aberrations from a much smaller population.
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Re: 2008 Honda Accord [monkey322]
by thegraduate
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Nov 04, 2008 (8:04 am)
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Replying to: monkey322 (Nov 04, 2008 7:22 am)
Just as the V6 Accord is a relatively small fraction of Accord sales (it used to be something like 25% of Accords were V6). The VCM Odyssey still is only available on EX-L and Touring models, so the same sort-of thing applies.
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Re: 2008 Honda Accord [thegraduate]
by monkey322
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Nov 04, 2008 (8:27 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 04, 2008 8:04 am)
Yes - except the weight issue.
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Re: 2008 Honda Accord [monkey322]
by robotaz2
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Nov 04, 2008 (6:57 pm)
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Replying to: monkey322 (Nov 03, 2008 10:58 am)
I appreciate the level-headed input. I have not considered that the car may need to break in to get rid of the annoying vibrations and hums. I will keep hoping. My final comment will be how disappointed I am that Honda does make this system with the ability to disable it. The viability, purpose, need, etc. of the system can be debated all day long. What is stupid, idiotically stupid, and beyond comprehension to me is why they did not make this system so that it can be defeated. I suppose that would admit defeat and based on the way Japanese Toyota employees in my neighborhood act, that may be something they are unable to grasp. I don't mean that disrespectfully. These guys are very cocky and I would expect them to be insanely proud of their products. Anyway, I'll just hope it gets better.
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Re: 2008 Honda Accord [robotaz2]
by monkey322
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Nov 05, 2008 (6:57 am)
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Replying to: robotaz2 (Nov 04, 2008 6:57 pm)
I truly hope for your sake that it does too. I have driven them with and without the annoying behavior - sorry you were one of the unlucky ones. Another poster here with serious problems seemed to narrow it down to cars with navigation versus those without. Nothing scientific there - and makes no sense at all. The break in thing seemed to make some sense, and if yours continues to cause you problems I would insist on new engine mounts as a first step toward a solution.
All that said, I would certainly get it on record at the dealership about your displeasure and protect any lemon law rights you might have in your state. I read too here where someone from Georgia succeeded in getting Honda to have to buy back the car there. It is in an earlier post in this forum.
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Re: 2008 Honda Accord [monkey322]
by elroy5
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Nov 05, 2008 (3:23 pm)
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Replying to: monkey322 (Nov 05, 2008 6:57 am)
I read too here where someone from Georgia succeeded in getting Honda to have to buy back the car there. It is in an earlier post in this forum.
The car that was supposedly bought back in Georgia was a 4 cylinder with the headlight dimming issue. Not a VCM Accord.
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