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Sedans Honda Accord 2008 Honda Accord VCM
1808 messages, Last post on Aug 29, 2008 at 12:56 PM
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jun 26, 2008 12:22 pm) As for the Acura - I would have to say based on my experiences driving both Generation 1 with 161 HP and a Gen II Coupe with 230 HP that those engines were WAY under rated. Gen I had GREAT mid range torque and acceleration in the 75-100 range amazing. It would do 135 - and you don't pull that box of a sedan 135 without more serious power than 161HP unless they are Clydesdales - you would be HP limited. The Gen II 6 speed Type II engine Coupe would do 0-60 in 6.5 seconds and would top out at 155 governed. 3rd gear acceleration on the 6 speed was fantastic. Rumor was for years that Honda engines were underrated. I know the dyno tests on the S2000 have proven that for that engine. Trying to duplicate the 1995 Legend "experience" is going to be difficult for him. 
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Replying to: ljgbjg (Jun 26, 2008 12:38 pm) Hmm. Maybe that doesn't include full capacities of fluids (oil, coolant, fuel). I dunno. Now I want to look on mine and see if it has it. Neat info about the Legend (ya know, the 1995-1997 Accords used a version of the 2.7L from the Legend, but was rated 170hp). Back to VCM.
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Replying to: pat (Jun 26, 2008 12:41 pm) graduate - yes, interestingly I had both and, in all honesty, preferred the performance in the Legend. For some intangible reason the Legend seemed peppier. When I sold the '97 V6 a prospective purchaser commented when driving it - "This is a V6? I thought it would have more power." Got me.  Back to VCM
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Replying to: ljgbjg (Jun 26, 2008 1:27 pm) I'm not sure where this specific conversation should go! Suggestions, pat?
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Replying to: ljgbjg (Jun 26, 2008 12:02 pm) Those 3 cars have amazed me with their performance and durability. I prefer the way the 1st gen looks to the 2nd, but that's a matter of taste. The 95 is like the other 2 on the highway, a superb high speed cruiser. When I bought the 1986 in Orland Park, the sticker was about $22K. The sticker on the 95 was $39K, both a lot in today's $'s. Looking at the price of the Accord V6 along with equipment, it's an inflation adjusted bargain, but it may well be unrealistic to compare it to any of the Legend sedans. Perhaps I'll look at a later model RL, but they don't excel in the fuel economy department. Thanks again!
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Replying to: dmer (Jun 25, 2008 7:10 pm) I'm not sure there is an advantage in mpg. I think there's supposed to be, but the "real world" mpg's posted here and on the other midsize sedan forums has me kind of thinking that the engineering effort, and money spent on it, could have been better spent........ Looking over the "Real World" mileage stuff here, it looks like the earlier, 2003 to 2007 Honda Accords {the V6 ones} get better mileage on average than the 2008s. In fact, I think the case could be made that the 2003 to 2007 model years could be considered the peak in Accord design....... Looking over the Camry and Sonata "Real World MPG" threads, it looks like a case could be made, that on average, the Camry is at least as good {V6 vs V6}, and the Sonata noticeably better. Neither Camry or Sonata use any "tricks" like VCM to get the job done. Neither car is an exception light weigh in the class either, I think Camry is pretty close to the weight of the Accord, and the Sonata, which is about 4 inches shorter {total length}, still weighs 3540lbs. In the "good old days", neither Camry or Sonata would be able to outshine the Accord in any performance category......... I think that Honda would be miles ahead to drop VCM, and spend the r&d money where it'll do more good. Where they've gone with this, sure reminds me where GM and Ford went in the mid 90s.........
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jun 26, 2008 1:51 pm) 
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Replying to: dmer (Jun 26, 2008 2:03 pm) Don't discouraged about the Accord - it is a great car for the money and as an every day middle America family car. No matter how much leather etc. you put on it, it is not a luxury class car. In this case you cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.. |
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Replying to: auld_dawg (Jun 26, 2008 3:51 pm) I agree - a simple 6 speed automotic transmission with a taller overdrive would have given as much of an increase in mileage if not more without complicating the engine and the need for AEMs. |
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