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#1636 of 2720 Want to buy Accord V6
Jun 25, 2008 (2:30 pm)
Have owned 4 Acura Legends from 1986 and still have a 1995 with 140K miles. Owned 1980 Accord.
Attraction for me with these cars has been the ability to keep them for a lot of years and register high mileage. My 95 Legend is still a very solid car and terrific to drive. I find the 08 Accord V6 sedan very appealing but the VCM may deter me and certainly the comments on this forum. The concept of shutting off cylinders is something I find unappealing because of added complexity but if it works and is reliable.....
Unfortunately, the Honda website gives negative information on the transition to 3 cylinder operation by stating the radio plays out of phase. This is obviously an aural trick to try and overcome something that the mecahanical systems can't accomplish themselves. Personally, I'm not sure of this sort of technology could ever be made to work seamlessly.
Most of the complaints on here strike me as entirely reasonable but I would have to ask if they were apparent during a test drive? I will plan to test drive this car but I'm concerned that a failure of the systems that manage this function, at lets say the 125K mark, might mean getting rid of the car. I'm also curious if, 3 cyl operation kicks in a 60MPH on the highway, what are the engine RPM's?
I would be looking for the 08 V6 Sedan to give me a drive quality reminiscent of the Legend. Perhaps Honda might be better served by making this system optional?
#1637 of 2720 Re: Want to buy Accord V6 [dmer]
Jun 25, 2008 (3:43 pm)
The Test Drive:
My experience is this: When driving the car at lower speeds (mostly city driving) you tend to not notice the VCM surging AS OFTEN. reason, the car is never cruising long enough to notice the maddening effects. This is due to alot of starting, stopping and acceleration etc typical with city driving and TEST DRIVES. Aslo, it should be noted that the 45-50 MPH and 60-70MPH vibration issues are masked by the typical test drive run through. Take the car for an hour... drive in the city, drive multiple terrains. most importantly take it out on the highway for a 30 min drive. test with Cruise on and off and def test between 60-70MPH for longer durations.. be sure to test drive the vehicle you are looking to BUY not the demo (at least on your final test drive) if it doesnt demonstrate surging, lurching and vibration in the steering wheel and seat then you are golden. I will bet you my car though, it will.
#1638 of 2720 Re: Want to buy Accord V6 [golfrski]
Jun 25, 2008 (6:10 pm)
Thanks for the feedback. Do you know if Honda plans to continue with the present system, or drop it? Also, what's the supposed mileage advantage of VCM over standard operation?
#1639 of 2720 Re: Want to buy Accord V6 [dmer]
Jun 25, 2008 (6:52 pm)
It would appear Honda is committed to the technology based on what I have read and heard from the dealers I have spoken to, not sure about the current design of the VCM and its operation this is a better question for Honda to answer.. fuel performance has been a debated topic here as well as elsewhere...no real opinon on these from me. I have been so preoccupied with the issues related to my cars VCM/ vibration to be honest I couldnt even tell you what gas milage I am getting. How ironic.
#1640 of 2720 Re: Want to buy Accord V6 [dmer]
Jun 25, 2008 (7:58 pm)
Kind of impossible to compare VCM with "standard operation" because there is no automatic transmission V6 without VCM and the 6 speed manual has a very different final drive ratio. Just for the sake of discussion we got 26 MPG over 156 miles at 80 MPH, then checked again at 70-75 over 138 miles and got 30. Pretty darn good for a 3600 pound sedan - and this was in upstate NY, not Texas or Iowa I STILL think the non VCM V6 with a 6 speed auto transmission with taller overdrive would have improved mileage better and without the complications and annoyances of VCM.
#1641 of 2720 Re: Want to buy Accord V6 [ljgbjg]
Jun 26, 2008 (3:56 am)
I thought the v6 accord coupe did not have vcm.
#1642 of 2720 Re: Want to buy Accord V6 [dmer]
Jun 26, 2008 (6:25 am)
I think your concerns are right on the money! Personally, I'm not convinced the VCM system is good for people who drive their cars well past 100k. Perhaps I'm naive, but the words "active engine mounts" scared me right away from a v6 the first time I looked at these cars.
[Of course, you might want to read some of my comments about my 08 I4 in the 6 vs. 4 thread before going out and buying a 4 cyl. Accord. IMHO, the I4 is underpowered for such a large vehicle. I would not buy the I4 with automatic transmission again.]
#1643 of 2720 Re: bug4 [marsha7]
Jun 26, 2008 (6:27 am)
There is humor to the Kentucky fen-phen case and $200 million settlement. The attorneys tried to take $130 million instead of $67 million. They had even brought in Stan Chesley, king of class action, and paid him $20 million then there's some dispute about that. He's testifying against the other attorneys, and had claimed he didn't know what "the fifth" was when asked by someone if he planned to invoke it. One of the attorneys said they deserved $170 of the $200 million because the injured parties didn't really have much damage! That's a real interest in your clients' well-being.
Somehow there's humor to Chesley who holds fundraisers for Clintons, along with his judge wife, having to testify against other class action money-suckers. He is the King--look him up.
Marsh7 obviously shows show realism in the amounts he would accept in a rich class action settlement. AFter all it is meant to reimburse the victims.
As for VCM, forget it. I believe in one class action suit against a technical company, computer-related, my settlement was like under $8 and I had to send in proof!!!
#1644 of 2720 Re: Want to buy Accord V6 [houdini1]
Jun 26, 2008 (7:12 am)
The automatic V6 coupe has VCM, the 6speed does not.
#1645 of 2720 If this is true
Jun 26, 2008 (7:57 am)
"One of the attorneys said they deserved $170 of the $200 million because the injured parties didn't really have much damage!", then why were they awarded anything over $1.00 (that's One Dollar) in damages...
$170 out of 200 is an 85% fee...kinda high, I would think, altho all expenses should be reimbursed and not part of the fee...