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Honda Accord, Transmission, Sedan
#1302 of 2720 Re: For sunnfun [sunnfun]
Apr 08, 2008 (4:48 am)
I did some research on the internet last night and looks like these gentleman own Quality Control at Honda in Ohio. I may send them a letter,call etc... the case managers and dealer folks are of no help. Anyone ever heard of them?
hope this help you & me...
MARYSVILLE, OHIO - Honda of America Mfg. appointed new plant managers for its two auto plants among other promotions and changes in responsibility.
Tom Shoupe is plant manager of the Marysville Auto Plant and has been named a vice president at Honda of America Mfg.
Dan Smith is the new plant manager of the East Liberty Auto Plant.
Tom Mitchell now heads the company's Auto Quality business team and was promoted to assistant vice president.
In addition, Gen Tsujii was promoted to vice president at the Marysville Auto Plant and Masanori Kitazawa was promoted to vice president at the East Liberty Auto Plant.
Prior to his new assignment, Shoupe had been plant manager of the East Liberty plant since 1998, during a period of major renovation to implement a new manufacturing system and prepare for the 2001 Civic major model change. He joined Honda in 1988, holding positions in corporate planning, government and community relations and production control. Shoupe was senior manager of the North American Task Group in 1993, when he and his family joined approximately 100 other HAM associates and their families for assignments in Japan primarily in new model development.
One of the most integrated automotive manufacturing plants in North America, the Marysville plant produces the Accord Sedan and is the exclusive production site for the Accord Coupe. The Acura TL Sedan and Acura CL Coupe models, including the 260 horsepower CL Type S, also are produced only at the plant from domestic and globally sourced parts. The plant and its 5,850 associates have the capacity to build more than 440,000 automobiles annually.
Previously the leader of Honda's Americas Quality Group and Honda of America Mfg.'s Chief Inspecting Engineer, Smith helped lead the quality aspect of eight new model launches, including models produced exclusively at Honda of America Mfg., such as the Accord Coupe and Station Wagon, and Civic Coupe. Smith joined the company in 1985.The East Liberty Auto Plant launched the all-new 7th generation Civic in September as part of a simultaneous launch at Civic plants around the world. In addition to the Civic Sedan, the East Liberty plant is the exclusive manufacturing site for the Civic Coupe, including the Civic GX natural gas vehicle. Using domestic and globally sourced parts, the East Liberty plant has 2,700 associates and the capacity to manufacture more than 230,000 automobiles per year.
As leader for the Auto Quality business team, Mitchell has assumed Smith's responsibilities to oversee product quality for Honda of America Mfg. The team supports similar activities at the new Honda Manufacturing of Alabama plant that begins production late next year, and Honda's auto plants in Canada, Mexico and the United Kingdom. Mitchell joined the company in 1982.
Headquartered in Marysville, Ohio, Honda of America Mfg. operates four plants in Ohio employing 13,000 associates. In addition to the two auto plants, its Anna Engine Plant produces more than 1 million auto engines per year. The Marysville Motorcycle Plant produces the Gold Wing among other motorcycles, and all-terrain vehicles.
#1303 of 2720 Re: For sunnfun [sunnfun]
Apr 08, 2008 (5:19 am)
If you have email addresses for these people and it is permissible under the Forum rules to share them, do you mind doing so? Honda seems pretty secretive about this stuff, and when I sent my letter to the attention of American Honda's CEO, it got answered by the same case manager who had initially blown me off.
I did get a short survey about my case manager, and enjoyed filling it out -- what goes around comes around. I did get a longer survey about satisfaction with the car shortly after I bought it (initial quality survey, I guess), but none since contacting Honda about this matter.
#1304 of 2720 Re: For sunnfun [jam1000]
Apr 08, 2008 (7:58 am)
Let's see what happens with my email first. It may end up being a waste of time. I can tell you that if you spend the time, you can find them out on the net. You just have to put several pieces of info together to get them. You can start here first.
#1305 of 2720 Re: For sunnfun [sunnfun]
Apr 08, 2008 (10:42 am)
None of us should post any email addresses that are not publicly and easily available. Appreciate your consideration in posting the link. That should be very helpful to others here.
#1306 of 2720 Re: I Love VCM!!! [thegraduate]
Apr 08, 2008 (1:56 pm)
The 4 scares me because of the transmission issues of the past (honda didnt fix them, they extended the warranties - i believe due to class action suits).
The 4-cylinder has never had transmission issues that I know of, unlike the V6. They DID fix them, by adding a transmission cooling line, I believe.
Seems like whoever gave you information was misinformed.
If the six worries you, and the four is sufficient, go for the four.
New to this site and will probably be a one time visit for me. We owned a 2000 accord 4 cylinder LX - had transmission troubles (replaced by honda without charge) and ran into more transmission problems. We agreed no more hondas. We saw the new hondas and thought they looked sharp. I had not visited this site before and dont even know what VCM is or that there was a problem. We drove a 6 cylinder and it was very clear to me that there was a problem. I understand the comments that say it felt like a pump going on and off or the a/c kicking in and out - constantly. I am disappointed to say the least, but I am not interested in paying close to $30k for a car that constantly surges on and off. And I know that in the past honda has extended warranties on their transmissions to 100k miles. We don't want an extended warranty on a new car. We would prefer buying something that ran right from the start. It seems this issue should have been resolved prior to going to market. It is a sad commentary on honda and my heart goes out to those with the problems and not getting it resolved.
#1307 of 2720 Re: For sunnfun [sunnfun]
Apr 08, 2008 (3:21 pm)
I was reading the Warranty Manual that came with the 08 and they explicitly indicate that if you are not happy with the area manager's response and handling of your case the next step would be to go to BBB to resolve the issue. I am not sure if you (and/or others with VCM problem) were aware of this and whether you have considered that as an option.
#1308 of 2720 Re: HONDA VCM ISSUES CONTINUE
Apr 08, 2008 (3:37 pm)
Be so thankful you noticed it when you did.. I will tell you that I am getting pressure from Honda to close my case. I am refusing to let them do it (at least with my agreement). I am sure I have no control over that, but I find it suspect that it was like pulling teeth to get anyone to call me back and all of a sudden they are hunting me down to close this out. Perhaps the #'s of unsatisfied owners are growing and they need to cycle me out of thier unsatisfied line-up?
BBB is a good idea as is a Lemon Law attny based on the rising number of complaints here I dont want to be last in line i dont think... alot to consider but scary none the less. Has onyone considered contacting the writers from the 3 articles that talk to the issues with the VCM to dig deeper? Would be interested to see if they would have the courage to do that.
#1309 of 2720 Re: HONDA VCM ISSUES CONTINUE [rodiron620]
Apr 09, 2008 (10:28 am)
Here is a link to 14 different "expert" reviews for the Accord from various newspapers. These would be in addition to the 3 already cited from Autoweek, USA Today, and Wall Street Journal.
All of the reviews are mostly positive about VCM. A couple of lukewarm comments. Interesting that one writer complained about the shift linkage in the 6spd manual coupe.
One article (LA Times) references a possible isolated programming glitch with the Accord's drive-by-wire throttle system. Perhaps that could be causing some of the unexplained surging or sensations? Maybe something to check out.
#1310 of 2720 Re: HONDA VCM ISSUES CONTINUE [cstiles]
Apr 09, 2008 (11:20 am)
Thanks for the link to the additional Honda reviews. I read every one and have to say two things:
1. Many multiple reviews by the same person, and seemingly incompetent. Some never evne drive the car, just review its equipment, specs, etc. Do these people ride horses instead of drive cars? Newspaper reporters and not car enthusiasts. The 6 speed coupe with VCM? Uh, no.
2. Most commented about the V-6 AT being technologically advanced and "able to obtain 29 MPG" but then never drove one!! One accelerated to 45 and saw the ECO light come on - well, the ECO light does NOT come on during acceleration. Most test cars? 190HP I4s, or the 6 speed V6 coupe.
Like I have posted - I have seen the VCM operate from both sides. Mine was horrible for the first 2000 miles - all the problems everyone here has complained of and absolutely spot on with the reviewers from Autoweek and the Wall Street Journal - surging, the "hydridlike torque on/torque off feel", the "maddening" frequency of the VCM going in and out of 3,4 and 6 cylinder operation and being very noticeable. I was absolutely ready to sell- or push it off a cliff!
All of a sudden, on a recent 250 mile trip, with about 2000 miles on the car, the sensations disappeared!!! Now I drive a VCM equipped car that is like those spoken of here by parviz, hank119, cstiles, viet and others. What happened?
I wish I could tell all of you, especially those still experiencing problems - and believe me I DO feel your pain. I can only speculate that the active engine mounts were not functioning as intended and now are. Why? Maybe they had to be broken in? Maybe they were 'stiff" and immobile and have loosened up? I suspect they are the true culprits behind the negative sensations so many here have compained of. To those of you who have never experienced them - be thankful - because I can attest that they are very real and driving a new $30,000 car operating that way is annoyingly, "maddeningly" frustrating, made even more so when others are telling you that they don't understand because their cars are perfect and the VCM imperceptible. My advice to those still experiencing problems? If less than 2000 miles, give it a bit - you may have happen what I did. Prefer not to wait? I would think the dealer could put the car on a dynamometer and load up the engine just as if being driven and examine the operation of the engine mounts and VCM operation with the hood up, and actually observe the vibration of the engine in different modes of operation. Perhaps the engine mounts are defective altogether. I wish you the best in getting satisfactory resolution of your problems.
Now MPG is another story. Regardless of VCM, this 8th generation seems to be very thirsty - be it the 190HP I4 or the V6 - in either VCM or non-VCM configuration.
Our 2005 V6 coupe with AT - 29-30 MPG on the highway - consistently. This VCM V6 sedan? 24.5 on the 250 mile trip over a rolling interstate in Upstate NY, at 75 MPH on cruise. This seems consistent with Edmunds' long term test car results.
Instant MPG from a trip computer? Worthless information - I got another car I owned to show 101 MPG when coasting - pure fantasyland. Reality is when you refill the tank. Then calculate your mileage the old fashioned way - miles traveled/gallons used.. Happy motoring guys - and good luck to those of you whose VCM equipped engines continue to annoy. I have been there too, and I understand your frustration.
#1311 of 2720 Re: HONDA VCM ISSUES CONTINUE [ljgbjg]
Apr 09, 2008 (11:53 am)
Thanks. As I was skimming these articles for comments regarding VCM, I failed to see that a few of the articles were by the same writers.
Newspaper auto jounalists review a different car almost every week to make deadlines, so I agree that many of their articles are isolated to first impressions or how a car compares against their checklists of virtues and vices.
I happen to own a 6spd coupe, so I zeroed in on the comment about the shift linkage on the manual.
If you speculate that your engine mounts are primarily responsible for the quality of your VCM operation (versus throttle/driveline/transmission behavior, for example), then is it accurate to conclude that your issue was mostly about vibration and resonance? When I see "surging," I visualize a car changing speeds and throttling inconsistently. It doesn't sound like rodiron's, sunnfun's, etc. issues are due to just engine mounts based on their descriptions.
Nonetheless, glad to hear you are in a better place and that your Accord has transformed into the nicer ride you were originally expecting.