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Re: To The Contrary... [colloquor] by stevecar
Nov 09, 2007 (9:39 am)
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Replying to: colloquor (Nov 09, 2007 8:45 am)

Good points about advertising and early adopters.
unless you follow one of the internet boards, it's impossible to know about first year problems unless the cars are breaking down on the side of the road. As good as some of these cars are, I guess it's still a good idea to shy away from the first year until some kind of pettern shows.
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Re: To The Contrary... [colloquor] by hpowders
Nov 09, 2007 (10:22 am)
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Replying to: colloquor (Nov 09, 2007 8:45 am)

Call me old-fashioned, but when I read an in depth professional review of a vehicle, I expect it to be delivered with integrity. When a majority of reviewers say the VCM is imperceptible, I believe most Accord EX V6 sedans fall into that category.
 
Obviously, some people have problems with the VCM system. Hopefully, Honda will not just listen, but will do something.
 
I agree that it is not a good idea to purchase one of the first batch of vehicles of a new design.
 
I can wait. My current lease ends July 31st and my next vehicle will most likely be the EX-L V6 Accord sedan or an MDX base. I don't know if I want to live with 17 mpg, though!
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Re: To The Contrary... [ezshift5] by golfrski
Nov 09, 2007 (11:06 am)
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Replying to: ezshift5 (Nov 09, 2007 7:25 am)

So I met with the Honda folks again . and the story is this,,,,, "the car is operating normally " "The surging is normal in the V6 and absolutely will be noticed by the passengers/driver".I sort of expected this. This is in direct conflict with ALL advertising and marketing of this vehicle's VCM engine.
  
"To help keep engine vibration from reaching the cabin in every mode, active engine mounts automatically adjust their firmness to help absorb energy. The transition between the three operating modes is completely seamless and goes unnoticed by the Accord’s passengers"
  
There are a few things they are going to do as a first step and then see if that alleviates the issue for me personally such as alignment, balancing of tires run addl diagnostics on the fuel injection,, the works.
  
The net/net update is that what most V6 drivers are feeling is a collateral issue that drivers are, or will be faced with on the 08 V6 VCM engine. The Ody 6-3 was less noticeable due to the 6-3 mode approach. The extra 4 mode is what may be causing the added layer of noticability. Again, I do not see this as prevalent in "cruise control" so there must be a correlation between how the car drives and manages itself, as opposed to manually. I know duh right? but seriously even with a steady foot on the accelerator and feathering oh so slightly the car is in constant "roaming mode" at certain speeds and Honda itself agrees. In there I feel lies the rub... if they can figure out how to get the car to run optimally without CC on, then I think the fix will surface. Clearly the car can make a decision on cylinder activation mode while in CC yet not when off.
  
I still predict more and more complaints to rise. I also predict the eco light will be removed in the future in the hopes that its indication of changes to the driver "may" reduce or remove the placebo effect. It is this effect some may be having when it illuminates like a dummy light that something is going on thus adding a greater sensitivity to change. Don't be surprised if the advertising or documentation is updated from "unnoticeable and seamless" to slight and minimal.
  
 Bottom line is we don't need to know what mode is on or off anyway do we? really? As I have stated since the beginning. drive the car yourself and be the judge. If it doesn't bother you and you can live with it , then that's great. I will hope the diagnostics and addl tuning will resolve my issue. and keep you all posted as we move along down the road....
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Re: To The Contrary... [golfrski] by hpowders
Nov 09, 2007 (11:16 am)
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Replying to: golfrski (Nov 09, 2007 11:06 am)

So Honda lied about the initial description of the VCM. From seamless to noticeable.
Highly disappointing.
 
Maybe I have been expecting too much from the reviewers. Sounds like they just copied "seamless" directly from Honda's description.
 
That surging/hesitating would sure bother me. No doubt about it. It would drive me nuts.
 
I still plan to drive one early next year, but I am definitely not as enthusiastic as I once was.
 
And yet we have this, hot off the press, from CR's testing of the 2008 EX V6 Accord sedan on their website (appearing in their February, 2008 issue as part of a family sedan comparo) : "If it weren't for the little green "eco" light in the instrument panel, this system would be completely imperceptible."
They are "impressed" with the car.
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Re: To The Contrary... [golfrski] by robertsmx
Nov 09, 2007 (11:20 am)
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Replying to: golfrski (Nov 09, 2007 11:06 am)

There are just a few who are apparently noticing it. Then there are other folks who aren't. I'm willing to bet, a lot of it has to do with perception and expectations.
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Re: To The Contrary... [robertsmx] by golfrski
Nov 09, 2007 (1:22 pm)
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Replying to: robertsmx (Nov 09, 2007 11:20 am)

Time will tell.
 
I think if Honda stated its noticable (which contradicts their marketing), then thats enough to make me feel as if I do not have OCD w/ VCM.
 
You'll see more people coming forward, no doubt in my mind......
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Re: To The Contrary... [colloquor] by golfrski
Nov 09, 2007 (1:35 pm)
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Replying to: colloquor (Nov 09, 2007 8:45 am)

If there is a problem, Honda will jump on it quickly.
 
I tend to agree, but lets hope so ,
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Re: To The Contrary... [robertsmx] by golfrski
Nov 10, 2007 (3:02 pm)
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Replying to: robertsmx (Nov 09, 2007 11:20 am)

Neighbor up the street bought a 08 V6 yesterday........he is complaining about the surging issue already on the highway. We are going to monitor his as well and update the forum.
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Re: To The Contrary... [hpowders] by viet
Nov 11, 2007 (7:28 am)
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Replying to: hpowders (Nov 02, 2007 3:16 pm)

Dan Jedlicka (MSN toughest auto critics) has assessed "the '08 Accord, especially the V6, is one of the best sedan automobiles in the world..." I am going to buy one w/ Navi.
 
As an extra feedback on the Accord. My '05 Accord hybrid does generate "little humming noise" sometimes when engine switches from gas to electric or vice versa when I slow down my hybrid on highway exit ramps, etc. I brought it to the dealers a couple of times and they could not fix it. Otherwise, it runs like dream, "glues down" to winding roads and speeds up like a strongest greyhound ar 255HP. My hybrid is 3-6 VCM. No notice when it switches back & forth between 3 and 6 or vice versa.
 
I still consider Accord V6 is one of the best sedans. I am currently owning a fleet of 3 Accord V6 and 1 I4 at home (excluding other retired Honda vehicles in the past). And NO REGRET. Will buy a brand-new Accord '08 EX-L PZEP w/ navi soon. It's hard to resist all "goodies stuff" such as 268 HP, good MPG, VCM, VSC, ACE, more air bags, Blue tooth, enhanced Navi, stereo...and best of all is Honda' smartest leading engineers/ management. One cannot get all these "fancy stuff" in one packet compared to same class vehicles such as Infiniti G35, Avalon XLS, Camry SE, Altima, BMW '3 series, Audi, Volvo..
 
One said: "When Acura is installed with some propellers, Accord will be granted all those nice (Acura) stuff. I am going to buy a' 08 Accord V6 EX-L PZEP w/ navi soon. Life sometimes is so short to miss those good opportunities.

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