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Re: cobalt hands down is better then the cavalier [okko1]
by grosloup
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Jan 18, 2008 (10:27 am)
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Replying to: okko1 (Jan 18, 2008 3:54 am)
If the Cobalt didn't replace the Cavalier, they would still produce Cavaliers. Right? The way I see it, they took the Cavalier out of the production line and "yes" replaced it by a much more dependable, better built, new look and called it The Cobalt. But still you can't compare the Cavalier with the Cobalt, although It replaces it but it's like designing a completely new vehicule.
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Re: cobalt hands down is better then the cavalier [okko1]
by waterdr
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Jan 18, 2008 (7:47 pm)
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Replying to: okko1 (Jan 18, 2008 3:54 am)
Stop being in denile. GM told Wallstreet when the car was launched "The Cobalt will replace the Cavalier". Who cares? The Cobalt is going to be dead next year anyway and GM will replace it with something else.
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Re: cobalt hands down is better then the cavalier [okko1]
by poncho167
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Jan 19, 2008 (5:41 am)
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Replying to: okko1 (Jan 18, 2008 3:54 am)
The Cavaliar may not have had the best fit and finish and interior materials but it was a good long lasting economical car. It was also better looking than its foreign rivals as far as a sporty compact car. I have never owned one but have known many who have and they seem to run forever. I have driven them as well and to me it was no different than any other inexpensive car. People didn't just buy them because they were inexpensive they had a good reputation for reliability but as with all cars they had some nick picky issues. I have driven Chevy Prisms (Corolla's) as rentals and those in my opinion are some bad cars and have very noisy transmissions. The first generation Matrix (Pontiac Vibe) are among the worst interiors that I have ever experienced and the Matrix GT shifter is a piece of junk and is as smooth as 80 grit sandpaper. A lot of the Cavaliar chat that you here on the forum is from Japanese buyers and people tend to believe things based on perceptions that they hear but I have heard otherwise from owners with one owning 3 different models before switching to a Saturn Ion a couple years ago. I would buy a used Cavalier for a commuter if I was looking for an inexpensive used car.
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Re: cobalt hands down is better then the cavalier [waterdr]
by poncho167
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Jan 19, 2008 (5:44 am)
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Replying to: waterdr (Jan 18, 2008 7:47 pm)
Is it going to be dead or just restyled like the Corolla is every few years.
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Re: cobalt hands down is better then the cavalier [waterdr]
by grosloup
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Jan 19, 2008 (8:33 am)
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Replying to: waterdr (Jan 18, 2008 7:47 pm)
The Cobalt dead next year to? After only 4 years.
Could be that the same thing is happening to the Cobalt as the Equinox and Torrent. 2008 is suppose to be their last year also but they are going to be replaced by an almost exact european model with a different name ( I can't remember the names). I wonder why G.M. is doing that.
For the Cavaliers, I remember the first years the Cavaliers were build, what a mistake but as the years went by they improved (not a masterpiece) but improved. My wife had a 1998 and it was pretty good. My sister has a 1998 and still has it and running fine.
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Re: cobalt hands down is better then the cavalier [grosloup]
by poncho167
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Jan 20, 2008 (5:52 am)
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Replying to: grosloup (Jan 19, 2008 8:33 am)
It's funny on how people base their opinions off of other people's biased opinions or perceptions. The Cavalier from its introductory to its end was never a bad car. It was a good car but not a great car. Not bad but just average. I recently saw a first generation Cav on the road here in the rust bucket state of Illinois. I think the buy a Chevy and it will last a lifetime saying can almost apply to this car because if maintained they keep going and going though they will rust out like anything else. Being a car guy and doing my own maintenance on my 1992 S10 I always notice other cars on the road and it is rare, very rare to see a 1980's model Toyota still around and driveable. I guess those cars were not maintained by their owners, go figure.
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Re: cobalt hands down is better then the cavalier [poncho167]
by waterdr
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Jan 20, 2008 (8:36 am)
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Replying to: poncho167 (Jan 20, 2008 5:52 am)
Perception has a lot to do with it. It seems that when someone owns a Chevy and it craps out, people say "see, you should have gotten a Toyota", but when the Toyota craps out, people think it must have been a fluke.
I put 100k miles on a 2002 Suburban that never saw the shop besides one time in the first week for a major a/c issue (had to be replaced). 6 years and that was the only visit besides oil, tires, and brakes. First set of brakes lasted 65k miles too.
GM is plenty capable of making quality products.
American cars, such as the Cobalt, biggest problem is not quality, but depreciation values. American cars depreciate faster then then Japanese counter-parts, and that impacts the cost of ownership a lot. I undertsand that the US manufacturers are starting to take measures to prevent this such as curtailing production and reducing sales to rental car companies.
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Re: cobalt hands down is better then the cavalier [waterdr]
by poncho167
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Jan 20, 2008 (12:30 pm)
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Replying to: waterdr (Jan 20, 2008 8:36 am)
Besides the rentals the biggest hit is the money put on the hood. The rebates basically come off the price at trade or resale. GM has cut back the rebates more so than Ford and Chrysler which have higher rebates overall. Toyota had to be aggressive in the rebate game with their new full sized truck so people would even consider it, and now its projected resale is lower than the others. The rentals are by far the worst thing that can happen when Avis, Hertz, and others get them at ridiculous prices and flood the market afterwards when selling them.
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Re: cobalt hands down is better then the cavalier [poncho167]
by waterdr
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Jan 20, 2008 (7:32 pm)
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Replying to: poncho167 (Jan 20, 2008 12:30 pm)
Yeah...rebates too....I forgot that one.
I think if the manufacturers were smart, they would just shut-off the rental companu\ies, but unfortunately, I am sure they are afraid to walk away from the volume.
Manufacturers have themselves in an interesting paradox.
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2008 Chevy Cobalt
by pjm16
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Jan 23, 2008 (1:04 pm)
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In response to waterdr opinion about the Cobalts being dead in 2008. I just got off the phone with the guy who sold me the 08 Cobalt "Special Edition" and he says that they're NOT going to be DEAD, The Cobalt is the highest selling car. 
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