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35 messages,  Last post on Oct 30, 2009 at 9:20 AM

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Re: VIN check [kingzonk] by burdawg
Jul 06, 2009 (6:24 am)
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Replying to: kingzonk (Jul 04, 2009 7:32 pm)

Unfortunately this happens all to often. The guy across the street from me bought what he was told was a 67 Mustang GT500 only to find out later that it was a 67 fastback that had been doctored up to look like a GT, and was only worth a pittance compared to what he paid for it. He admitted that he bought it on impulse without knowing what to really look for.
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Re: VIN check [burdawg] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jul 08, 2009 (8:04 am)
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Replying to: burdawg (Jul 06, 2009 6:24 am)

You know, I do not wish to make the victims of these slimeballs feel any worse, by any means, but a lot of this information is readily available prior to purchase.
 
My experience has been that most deceptions of this type are not very clever----there are a FEW that are very clever, but these are usually reserved for very big buck cars.
 
My rule of thumb is that on a given car, a string of "dubious" things points to fraud, even if nothing can be absolutely proven.
 
Case in point---a missing VIN tag that was "lost during restoration", a data plate in the wrong place....the use of modern fasteners to rivet a VIN plate....a "decked" engine with missing ID numbers. Also ZERO documentation is suspicious. Also lots of mis-matched date codes on various components. (NO, you cannot have an engine made in MAY 1966 put into a car made in January 1966).
 
On some bogus GTO's, you can shine a flashlight down the opening of the rear windows and see where the body filler leaks out of the holes that held the "Tempest" script to the body.
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Re: VIN check [kingzonk] by blh7068
Jul 11, 2009 (9:39 am)
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Replying to: kingzonk (Jul 04, 2009 7:32 pm)

"Conclusion: Someone changed the grill etc. to the GTO look but the dang car is a Le Mans! This is the VIN 235176B139151 Do I need to research more? Can anyone confirm my conclusion?Looking again I found a 326 emblem in the trunk."
 
As shifty said...the VIN says it all... 35 indicates it was born a Tempest Custom.
The 42 would I.D. it as a goat.
#29 of 35
Re: VIN check [Mr_Shiftright] by kingzonk
Jul 11, 2009 (1:17 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jul 08, 2009 8:04 am)

I'm glad to see we got back on track, was getting concerned that the original topic got lost. Thx for your information. Fortunately I only paid $300 for the car so it doesn't hurt too bad financially. Thought I had my dream car only to find out NOT... I've been disabled now anyway and cannot restore it. I have no idea what this thing would go for on criags list. Can anyone give me some help on what is fair, being honest of course, not as a GTO even though it has many GTO parts.
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Re: VIN check [kingzonk] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jul 11, 2009 (1:53 pm)
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Replying to: kingzonk (Jul 11, 2009 1:17 pm)

Sure. Give us a GOOD description of Paint, Body, Interior, Engine bay, Undercarriage, Chrome Trim.
 
Use a rating scale like this:
 
#1 -- show quality better than new
#2 -- very sharp, local show, you have to look to find small defects
#3 -- clean driver--a few little dings, paint still nice and shiny but some chips, chrome a bit dull, a few flaws in carpet and upholstery, runs well, undercarriage is old looking but no rust, no big dents anywhere, trunk is pretty clean, engine looks decent, not full of grease and oil and shredded hood insulation.
 
#4 -- running complete car but from across the street, you can see problems.
 
#5 -- beat up, not running, but not stripped of parts or bad bad rust.
 
#6 -- obvious parts car
 
The best topic is here:
 
What's This Thing Worth?
 
#31 of 35
Re: VIN check [Mr_Shiftright] by kingzonk
Jul 11, 2009 (7:31 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jul 11, 2009 1:53 pm)

Hmmmmm how to say this....
#1 -- show quality better than new - Would look appropriate planted on a set of rusty old steel rimes like they do at the local Pick-n-Pull.
#2 -- very sharp, local show, you have to look to find small defects - The entire body has not been cared for since what looks like 1966 (however, being in CA, it's mostly surface and repairable, no holes.
#3 -- clean driver--a few little dings, paint still nice and shiny but some chips, chrome a bit dull, a few flaws in carpet and upholstery, runs well, undercarriage is old looking but no rust, no big dents anywhere, trunk is pretty clean, engine looks decent, not full of grease and oil and shredded hood insulation. - NO shine at all, there are a few chips along the edges of bondo from a few repairs; the heads and all accessories are removed but inside where the rear seat should be. The front seats are present and "ok" as well as the complete dash; all glass is present and not broken; carpet needs a good cleaning; all chrome suspension, drive train exhaust etc. are present.
 #4 -- running complete car but from across the street, you can see problems. - Looking under the hood one can see where the cylinders are but not the cylinder walls due to the rust; it's not likely to get any compression without the heads.
  
#5 -- beat up, not running, but not stripped of parts or bad bad rust. Could fit into this category. The G-60's on the rear still hold air.
  
#6 -- obvious parts car - although it appears all parts are accounted for I notice two generators not just one, maybe some mod they did back then.
 
Ray
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Re: VIN check [kingzonk] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jul 11, 2009 (8:09 pm)
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Replying to: kingzonk (Jul 11, 2009 7:31 pm)

Maybe ask $1250 and see what happens?
#33 of 35
Re: VIN check [Mr_Shiftright] by kingzonk
Jul 12, 2009 (9:00 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jul 11, 2009 8:09 pm)

thank-you for your time and help
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vin search? by kregw
Oct 30, 2009 (9:17 am)
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The company that I work for has a title to a piece of equipment and they don
't know what it goes to. The description on the title is vague. Is there a site that I can enter the vin and find out what it goes to?
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Re: vin search? [kregw] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Oct 30, 2009 (9:20 am)
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Replying to: kregw (Oct 30, 2009 9:17 am)

Take the title to DMV---they'll probably know at least the category of the equipment, that is, trailer or boat or whatever.

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