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Replying to: dml247 (Nov 09, 2008 8:49 am) Touring owners with PAX systems can switch to conventional wheels and a spare! http://www.collegehillshonda.com/artman2/publish/Odyssey_41/Podcast_Episode_131_- - -_Honda_Odyssey_DePAX_Kit.shtml Q&A about PAX tire system http://www.collegehillshonda.com/artman2/publish/Odyssey_41/Common_Odyssey_Q_A_a- bout_the_PAX_Tire_System_159.shtml
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Replying to: bigdadi118 (Nov 10, 2008 7:09 am) I've read you need to be careful or you can scratch the rims?
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Replying to: bobber1 (Nov 10, 2008 7:14 am) 
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| I own an '05 Honday Odyssey Touring and want to get rid of the PAX tires. Can anyone tell me where to go, what to advise, and the approx. cost of the switch? | |
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Replying to: tashatom (Apr 27, 2009 4:07 am) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9ML9oQlf7M college hills honda http://www.collegehillshonda.com |
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| Could be a all new model or a facelift or just a carryover. PAX will most likely be discontinued for 2010. So yeah no pax for the 2010. | |
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Replying to: tashatom (Apr 27, 2009 4:07 am) Part 1 of 2: OK so I am now free of the tyranny of the Honda/Michelin Pax tire fiasco. After looking for information on depaxing and only finding bits and pieces, miss-information, and hearsay I decided that I could do it and publish some accurate information for others who may be looking to do the same thing. So here goes… First the standard disclaimer: If you decide to de-pax based on this information herein you do so at your own risk. The replacement wheels and tires that you pick will not be exactly the same in size and weight as the OEM Pax tires and therefore the suspension and handling may vary from the OEM design target. I do not guarantee any information herein although I have attempted to make it as accurate as possible. 2006 Odyssey OEM Pax Wheel and Tire Size: 235-710R 460A 104T. This translates into: Wheel Size: 18.1” diameter Tire Size: 235mm width, 27.95” Tire Diameter, and sidewall height of 4.9”. Translated into P metric sizes it would be a 235/53 R18.1 Tire. Looking over the Honda 2006 and 2008 Odyssey Glossy pamphlets that I have: The Stabilizer bars are 24mm for non-Pax Vehicles and 25mm for Pax Vehicles. Only a 1mm difference! This would result in only a slightly stiffer torsion bar. From the pamphlets see that a 235/60R17 102T is the tire package offered for a 2008 Honda Odyssey Touring NON-Pax vehicle. So it seems that a 235/60R17 tire and wheel package would be safe as an installation option. Another option is a 235/65 R16 103T Wheel and Tire option. This is the standard tire size for Non-Touring Odyssey 2006 and 2008 models. See second post after this post for the rest of this article.
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Replying to: tashatom (Apr 27, 2009 4:07 am) Next I back engineered data to see if there were any differences between the 2006 to 2009 Honda Odyssey wheels and tires. I went to my favorite source; www.tirerack.com and plugged in the model years of 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 for Honda Odyssey non-pax vehicles. The tire wheel packages were the same for each of the years showing that the mounting dimensions, clearances, wheel lugs were the same. Tire rack preselects only wheel/tire packages that will exactly fit your vehicle so the chance for problems are very small. One of the parameters they consider is Wheel Offset (distance from the axle mounting surface to center of the wheel). Just choose any one of the Odyssey non-pax vehicles when selecting the wheel/tire set for your vehicle, example LX, EX, or Touring Non-pax. I first looked at using 18” wheels (to most closely match the Pax system wheels) but I found only 1 tire choice that was offered for this wheel size! Not good! Tire Rack caries at least 20 brands and they only had 1 tire choice. This would be no better than the Pax System… if you got a flat chances are no one would have a replacement. So I downgraded to 17” rims and surprise, I had a choice of about 20 different tire brands. I chose the following: Goodyear Assurance ComforTred 235/60R17 with Elbrus 102 17” High Pressure Cast Alloy Wheels. The load rating of the Goodyear tires are slightly less (102T) than the Pax tires (104T) but 102T is the same load rating as specified for the 2008 Touring Non-Pax 235/60R17 Tires. These wheels ship with a centering ring… a circular piece of metal that ensures that the new alloy wheels oversize hub mounts concentrically to the vehicles hub for precision wheel rotation. Some wheels may not require this (if designed only for a Honda) but many will. Tire rack mounted and balanced them (for free) using Hunter Precision Balancing Machines and shipped them in one day! I received them in (flawless condition) on day two via UPS ground. Total cost with shipping was $1,077. This is less than the cost of just 4 PAX tires with mounting!! I love Tire Rack!! This is the third set of tires I have bought from them and the experience has always been great. What about the TPMS? Well Tire Rack has the TPMS for the non-Pax equipped vehicles but they say they do not carry the ones for the Pax vehicles. So your choice is: 1: Don’t use the TPMS (TPMS was installed originally for run-flats only because you might not know that you had a flat and the run flat could disintegrate after 125 miles). Extra Cost: $0 and ignoring the TPMS warning on the dash display. 2: Dismount your old Pax tires or cut a hole in the tires and remove the sensors and install them on the new wheels. Extra cost: $300 to dismount 4 pax tires + $90 for install, balance and mount on new wheels (Honda dealer quote). 3: Buy new TPMS OEM sensors from Honda and install them on your new wheels. Extra cost of $235 for new sensors + $90 for install, balance and mount on new wheels + $50 to initialize new sensors (Honda dealer quote). I choose option 1 and we are just ignoring the TPMS sensor warning. I will be checking my own air pressure. Note: Pulling the fuse on the TPMS system still yields a TPMS warning on the dash. I plan to buy a 17” space saver spare from Honda and it should fit in the floor space after removing the revolving turntable. Honda quote: $67 for wheel, $135 for tire, $25 for mounting = $227. The Touring already includes the jack so nothing is needed there. If you want to save your turntable, forget the spare, buy a can of flat fix, and keep your AAA membership up to date. In the last 20 years I have not had a flat on the road that required a spare. All the flats I have had were slow leaks due to nails and they were recognized and fixed at home. So how does it ride? This is subjective as I am comparing to how I remembered it to how it is now. My first feeling was a lighter feel from the overall van. The wheel response before felt somewhat lumbering. The ride may be a touch harsher on broken pavement on side streets. On the highway it is quieter. I feel the taller tire sidewalls (more cushioning) on the 17” tires offset the stiffer suspension that results from less un-sprung wheel weight. My significant other says it turns better and overall is happy with the ride quality. Most importantly she is relieved about not worrying anymore about a Pax flat and getting stranded. Conclusion: I can now replace my tires with any number of tire brands at any tire dealer I choose for a fraction of the cost. Of course I choose Tire Rack! If I get a flat anywhere it can be fixed anywhere. My ride is improved and in fact the new wheels are ultra cool!! We can now travel without the fear of getting a flat and getting stuck because no one can change a Pax tire. Good luck and happy depaxing! "> |
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I just got a 2008 lx odyessy with 7800 miles on it from a honda dealer. the van cme with bridgestone turanza el42 tires on it. i understand that these tires are very poor in most conditions except dry roads. I want to replace these tires with a all-season tire as i donot drive in anything but light to moderate snow and occasional ice. I have done some inquiring into what tire would be best and theYOKOHAMA Avid TRZ (235/65/16) tire appears to be it. Has anyone had these tire on there odyssey and how did they perform for you. i was told about the Blizzak tire but i cant afford another set of rims with new sensors just to put a set of snows on and mount and unmout snows this leaves me with concern about the tire bead and air leaks. I have been told by two tire shops that the bead could be compromised at any time the tires are changed seasonal. Thankyou very much for your help |
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Replying to: ron999 (May 18, 2009 12:04 pm) thanks john
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