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Re: V6 Oil Consumption [dpmeersman]
by hondadan
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Jun 15, 2009 (8:26 pm)
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Replying to: dpmeersman (Jun 14, 2009 4:16 am)
My experiences with the maintenance minder system shows 6,000-8,000 miles to be the norm to reach 15% oil life remaining. My experiences also show that historically, Honda vehicles burn virtually no oil. This is why it's somewhat of a shock to me to see cars with such low mileage consuming oil. Honda's Service Operations manual and warranty claims guides say that under the New Vehicle Warranty, consumption of up to 1 quart every 1,000 miles is acceptable. If excessive consumption is suspected, then the dealer is to perform a consumption test. I wish everyone had the foresight to check their oil on a regular basis (as it sounds that many of you do), but the truth is that so many people spend $30k for a car and expect to do nothing other than add gas and have the oil changed. Preventative checks that can be done while filling the tank can save you from countless troubles. Warranty or not, being stranded on the side of a road with a locked up engine is pure inconvenience that no warranty prevents. I believe as a technician and a service manager that it is my duty (or the duties of the technicians inspecting your vehicle) to check fluid levels at every visit. However, if your visits are spaced out into 7,500 mile intervals, and you're (hypothetically, of course) losing a quart every 1,000 miles, then your 4.5 quart capacity is dimished to the point of engine damage halfway through your engine oil's expected life. Even if you're consuming 1/2 quart every 1,000 miles, you're still at the point of engine damage at your service interval. Not to mention potential damage to catalytic converters, spark plugs, pistons, valves, oxygen sensors, your fuel economy, and (now becoming extremely important in the eyes of more people) air quality. Catalytic converters will clean expected exhaust gases, but they're not made to clean burnt oil from exhaust.
If you can live with adding oil between changes, that's fine, however, do realize that there is more to it than just topping up the oil. I'm a firm believer that Honda is a quality product, and I'd like to do my part to ensure that it remains a leader in building quality cars. I'm not on a crusade. If nothing else, I'd like to know how to resolve these complaints on my customers' first visits whenever possible. If what I'm looking for doesn't change anything in regards to Honda and their products, I'd hope that I can at least take better care of a customer who has made an investment in this company.
Oil burner? They all are. Minute amounts for some, an occasional tenth of a quart here and there for some, and serious consumption for others. They'll all use some oil. Our technology hasn't gotten to where we don't use it yet. But we are to a point that we can keep that quantity next to none.
I just got rid of a car that used literally 1 quart every 300-500 miles. I bought a much newer Honda, and in the 6000 miles I've since added to its original 39,000 miles, I haven't seen any consumption. I'd just like to find out why one engine burns more than the next.
Thanks again for your input, as well as anyone else that responds to this thread!
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- #967 of 1122
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Re: V6 Oil Consumption [gyusher]
by hondadan
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Jun 15, 2009 (8:34 pm)
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Replying to: gyusher (Jun 14, 2009 5:31 am)
I'm very impressed by the 2.4 liter 4-cylinder that you have in your 08 EX-L. Honda went with something entirely different in that engine, and it's been a stellar product. We'll occasionally see a faulty solenoid or an occasional seal leaking, but those are few and far between. We commonly see these engines with 200,000 miles or better, and still not leaking oil, and running wonderfully. This was Honda's first engine(that I'm aware of) that used a timing chain, in place of a belt (a costly service at 105,000 miles). It first came out in 2002 in the CR-V, and is still being used in several 2010 model cars. I don't forsee this engine going away really soon. It has had several miner alterations, changes of electronics, etc, but is still essentially the same.
I believe that 1/2 quart at the first oil change (especially at 7,500 miles) is acceptable. 1/2 quart at the next oil change isn't quite as acceptable in my eyes. Engine break-in is viewed in so many different ways by so many different people, but they'll almost all agree that it is a vital period for the life of the engine.
The v6 has many extras that I do like over the 4 cylinder, but the 4 cylinder is still a superb vehicle. Lower maintenance costs, better fuel economy... Wonderful car. Glad you're happy with yours!
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Re: V6 Oil Consumption [rbbrick]
by hondadan
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Jun 15, 2009 (8:39 pm)
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Replying to: rbbrick (Jun 15, 2009 2:03 pm)
rbbrick:
Thanks for the info. Since the engine replacement, what oil are you using? Did you notice any performance difference? Did you ever get a check engine light before engine replacement? (if so, what were the DTC's?) How many times ahve you changed the oil since engine replacement?
With your permission, I'd like to get your VIN number and look at your warranty history, just for informational purposes.
Thanks!
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Re: Problem when starting my 2008 accord when the engine is cold [hondadan]
by mmaxemow
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Jun 16, 2009 (11:35 am)
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Replying to: hondadan (Jun 15, 2009 7:56 pm)
Thanks but I have a 4 cyl - I just heard from the dealership and they said they have to replace the Cam Sprocket System (whatever that means)
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- #970 of 1122
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Re: 2008/9 Brake Noise [stopthenoise]
by csr67
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Jun 18, 2009 (10:25 am)
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Replying to: stopthenoise (Jun 11, 2009 1:35 pm)
Ok, sitting at dealer right now getting new rear pads at 15k miles on my 2008 EXL v6 sedan... Just had it at dealer last week for an oil change, and the "inspection" sheet said 9mm left on rears! Today on the way to work I get this terrible sounding metal on metal sound from the right rear. Dealer looked at it and said right rear is down to the sensor!
I asked about service bulletin, and service advisor looked it up. Here's what's in their system: "Tech Line Summary Article ATS090504", "Premature Rear Pad Wear, applies to 2008-09 Accord, 2008-09 Accord V6". "Premature rear brake pad wear is currently under investigation by the factories and R&D. Instead of calling Tech Line for additional Information, please wait for the forthcoming Service Bulletin".
So I'm paying $169 for new rear pads installed. Dealer advised that I hold onto my receipt and I may get some reimbursement once the "forthcoming" service Bulletin is released. Fook me! My last car, VW GTI had 70k miles and was still on original brakes for all four wheels. Thanks honda for making your pads from dried oatmeal. Let's hope I get some $$ back.
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Re: 2008/9 Brake Noise [csr67]
by mikecnorthwest
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Jun 21, 2009 (7:12 am)
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Replying to: csr67 (Jun 18, 2009 10:25 am)
How timely.... I literally just came to this forum to post a question asking if the brake issues I read about with the 08 Accords were occurring on the 09 Accords as well. I was very close to trading in my very good condition 96 Accord for an 09 but I think I'll pass. I don't need a new car payment and I certainly don't need an annual brake job on a new car.
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2009 Accord Vibration
by mbros2k
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Jun 22, 2009 (1:50 pm)
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We have a 4 cyl Accord that has a vibration starting at 50mph that feels like wind buffeting like when a window is slightly open at highway speeds. We have checked for air leaks, have rotated and balanced the tires and driven a variety of roads, though the vibration is most obvious on smooth roads and difficult to feel on rougher ones. The dealer has also checked these things and chalks it off to a design flaw which they all have (of course). Any one else out there have this problem? Google searches have shown hints of this problem but it's hard to tell. Thanks.
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- #973 of 1122
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Worn Rear Brakes, Update!
by csr67
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Jun 23, 2009 (10:05 am)
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Much to my surprise, the regional guy from Honda kept his word and called me back today as promised. He said that he had spoken with the service manager and they found no signs of abnormal brake wear in my rear's going out at 15k. But, he was willing to give me a one-time "goodwill" gesture to refund the $176.74 that I spent having the rear pads replaced. The check is in the mail!
When I asked him what American Honda was doing for a long term remedy to this issue, he said it's under investigation and that I should look for a future dealer service bulletin.
So, if you're having rear brake issues and your local dealer won't help out, do what I did and write a letter to American Honda and file a NHTSA.org complaint. Reference the other "goodwill" gestures, and get a refund. Don't waste time calling their 1-800 line, I've found a well written letter with a carbon copy to NHSTA.gov etc... will get their attention.
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- #974 of 1122
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Re: Worn Rear Brakes, Update! [csr67]
by hondadan
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Jun 30, 2009 (4:16 pm)
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Replying to: csr67 (Jun 23, 2009 10:05 am)
Wow. I'm impressed. As a Service Manager, I have the authority in some instances to 'goodwill' certain things that are typically outside of warranty periods. Brakes are almost never goodwilled. Make sure that you send a 'thank you' note to your regional guy from Honda. To those who are experiencing this problem, do hold on to your reciepts...
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- #975 of 1122
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Re: 2009 Accord Vibration [mbros2k]
by drodrigo
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Jun 30, 2009 (11:09 pm)
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Replying to: mbros2k (Jun 22, 2009 1:50 pm)
I just registered to comment about the issue you are having with your Accord. Yesterday I went to test drive a new ‘09 Accord EX i4 Sedan since I’m considering on trading my ’08 EX-L V6 Coupe which I really like a lot. To my surprise three out of the three EX i4 sedans that I test drove were suffering from this very same issue that you’re referring. The first one that I took for a ride the vibration was extremely pronounced that even the salesman, how is new to the auto sales business, told me that something was really wrong with the car. Then he brought me another EX for me to test drive it since he was convinced that this was an isolated problem with first one. In this second car the vibration was a little bit less evident but still I was able to feel it. I drove a third EX sedan from the dealer’s lot brand new only 3 miles on it and still the vibration was unmistakable. The salesman kept insisting that this vibration was due to the road condition, but I proved him my observation right by making him test drive my 08’ Accord Coupe, which does not exhibit this issue at all. At that point he tried blaming the observed issue on the sedans by suggesting the i4 engine might be causing this odd vibration. Finally this whole experiment with the sedans ended up when we test drove an EX-L V6 sedan. I had to admit that with the V6 engine the issue was barely noticeable but it was there. Due to this whole experience I have decided not to go with any Accord sedan since I know for sure I won’t be able to live with this issue at all. I’ll be sticking with my Coupe for now until I find a decent sedan.
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