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#958 of 1114 Re: V6 Oil Consumption [hondadan] by dpmeersman Jun 14, 2009 (4:16 am)
Replying to: hondadan (Jun 13, 2009 3:52 pm) My 08 VCM sedan averages around 7,500 miles between oil changes and requires an addition of 1 quart of oil around 6,000 miles. At 20,500 miles it's down around 1/2 qt and showing 40% oil life remaining. It would be nice if it would go between changes without the need to add oil, but adding 1 quart around every 6 months can hardly be considered an oil burner. Replies to this message: gyusher (Jun 14, 2009 5:31 am) hondadan (Jun 15, 2009 8:34 pm) hondadan (Jun 15, 2009 8:26 pm)
#959 of 1114 Re: V6 Oil Consumption [dpmeersman] by gyusher Jun 14, 2009 (5:31 am)
Replying to: dpmeersman (Jun 14, 2009 4:16 am) adding 1 quart around every 6 months can hardly be considered an oil burner.   Agreed. . . My 08 EX-L 4cyl coupe uses about 1/2 quart at oil change. That was the first one however right at 7500 (20%). Now at 9500 she's still touching the full mark.   I was concerned I didn't get the V6 but every day I like mine more and more. No complaints. . . None. . . Not one. . . Replies to this message: hondadan (Jun 15, 2009 8:34 pm)
#960 of 1114 Re: V6 Oil Consumption [jhinsc] by Grilltender Jun 15, 2009 (7:04 am)
Replying to: jhinsc (Jun 13, 2009 4:56 pm) I had 20,000 miles when i first noticed it 6-mounths ago.
#961 of 1114 Problem when starting my 2008 accord when the engine is cold by mmaxemow Jun 15, 2009 (9:06 am)
My car has 33k miles on it and has many issues from the beginning. My current issues is when I start the car in the morning or after not driving it for a couple hours it makes a horrible noise like the valves are tapping or something. Is anyone else having this issue? I'm dropping the car off at the dealership today will update when I know what the problem is Replies to this message: hondadan (Jun 15, 2009 7:56 pm) mmaxemow (Jun 16, 2009 11:35 am)
#962 of 1114 Re: V6 Oil Consumption [hondadan] by rbbrick Jun 15, 2009 (2:03 pm)
Replying to: hondadan (Jun 13, 2009 3:52 pm) My shortblock and heads were replaced at 24K miles. I completed 3 x 1000mile oil consumption tests showing a quart per thousand. My dealership is Capital Honda, San Jose, CA. Service department was superb. Since then the engine has consumed 1/2 quart per 3200 miles, I have 9000 on the new block..   Here are additional details. 1. 1st oil change -- Breakin oil changed at 3600 miles mm 50% by the dealer due to the fact it was down 1 1/2 quarts. We put in conventional oil (honda) 5-20w for the oil consumption test. 2. At 4500 miles we checked it and it was down maybe an 1/8 of quart so Honda declared it was the additives in the breakin oil. I felt I was clear of the issue until around 5500 miles then it was down 1/2 of quart in 1200miles. 3. I have changed the oil every 5000K with Castol GTX 5-20w with filter and just moved to Castrol synth at 16990. 4. The driving routine and distances are consistent yet the oil usage is getting much worse. From 1 quart per 3000 miles to 1852 miles now under 1000 miles. 5. Prior status on Synth oil – down 2/3 quart in 680 miles expect to add full quart before 1000 miles. 12-03-08 – synth seems to piss out of the engine. 6. Started oil consumption test with Honda at 19616 miles fresh oil change (conventional oil), added full quart of oil at 21182 = 1566miles – observation is that new oil viscosity being high the burn rate is slower but as the oil ages the burn rate increases. We are checking the oil today at the next 1000 mile mark.   I drive in the northern California bay area generally a commute of 27 miles each way plus local short trips during the week. Freeway speed 70 to 75mph. I am not a hot rodder nor do I red line or hammer it when it cold etc. My prior two Accord V6's consumed not a noticeable drop at the 4000 mile oil change. Both cars had over 125K miles when I sold them. Same driver, same roads, same oil. I do my own oil and filters just because that the way I am. Replies to this message: hondadan (Jun 15, 2009 8:39 pm) rbbrick (Jul 01, 2009 5:55 am)
#963 of 1114 Re: Problem when starting my 2008 accord when the engine is cold [mmaxemow] by hondadan Jun 15, 2009 (7:56 pm)
Replying to: mmaxemow (Jun 15, 2009 9:06 am) On the V6 models, Honda has a bulletin for a faulty VTC solenoid, if I'm not mistaken. Your dealership should be aware of this issue, and be able to handle it accordingly if that is the problem. Replies to this message: mmaxemow (Jun 16, 2009 11:35 am)
#964 of 1114 Re: V6 Oil Consumption [jhinsc] by hondadan Jun 15, 2009 (7:58 pm)
Replying to: jhinsc (Jun 13, 2009 4:56 pm) jhinsc:   How often do you check your oil level? How many times have you changed your oil?
#965 of 1114 Re: V6 Oil Consumption [frustrated2009] by hondadan Jun 15, 2009 (8:04 pm)
Replying to: frustrated2009 (Jun 13, 2009 7:26 pm) Hey, frustrated2009. I'm unaware as to the 05 Odysseys having this issue. That does make me want to start watching the Odysseys that come through there for low oil level. The two engines share a lot in common, but are not identical. With your permission, I'd like to look at your warranty history via running your VIN number. If you don't mind me taking a look, please provide me with your VIN. If you do mind, no hard feelings. I'm just trying to get a feel for similar problems that may run across other vehicle lines. Thanks for your input, and please keep me up to date as far as how your repaired vehicle is in regard to this issue.
#966 of 1114 Re: V6 Oil Consumption [dpmeersman] by hondadan Jun 15, 2009 (8:26 pm)
Replying to: dpmeersman (Jun 14, 2009 4:16 am) My experiences with the maintenance minder system shows 6,000-8,000 miles to be the norm to reach 15% oil life remaining. My experiences also show that historically, Honda vehicles burn virtually no oil. This is why it's somewhat of a shock to me to see cars with such low mileage consuming oil. Honda's Service Operations manual and warranty claims guides say that under the New Vehicle Warranty, consumption of up to 1 quart every 1,000 miles is acceptable. If excessive consumption is suspected, then the dealer is to perform a consumption test. I wish everyone had the foresight to check their oil on a regular basis (as it sounds that many of you do), but the truth is that so many people spend $30k for a car and expect to do nothing other than add gas and have the oil changed. Preventative checks that can be done while filling the tank can save you from countless troubles. Warranty or not, being stranded on the side of a road with a locked up engine is pure inconvenience that no warranty prevents. I believe as a technician and a service manager that it is my duty (or the duties of the technicians inspecting your vehicle) to check fluid levels at every visit. However, if your visits are spaced out into 7,500 mile intervals, and you're (hypothetically, of course) losing a quart every 1,000 miles, then your 4.5 quart capacity is dimished to the point of engine damage halfway through your engine oil's expected life. Even if you're consuming 1/2 quart every 1,000 miles, you're still at the point of engine damage at your service interval. Not to mention potential damage to catalytic converters, spark plugs, pistons, valves, oxygen sensors, your fuel economy, and (now becoming extremely important in the eyes of more people) air quality. Catalytic converters will clean expected exhaust gases, but they're not made to clean burnt oil from exhaust.   If you can live with adding oil between changes, that's fine, however, do realize that there is more to it than just topping up the oil. I'm a firm believer that Honda is a quality product, and I'd like to do my part to ensure that it remains a leader in building quality cars. I'm not on a crusade. If nothing else, I'd like to know how to resolve these complaints on my customers' first visits whenever possible. If what I'm looking for doesn't change anything in regards to Honda and their products, I'd hope that I can at least take better care of a customer who has made an investment in this company.   Oil burner? They all are. Minute amounts for some, an occasional tenth of a quart here and there for some, and serious consumption for others. They'll all use some oil. Our technology hasn't gotten to where we don't use it yet. But we are to a point that we can keep that quantity next to none.   I just got rid of a car that used literally 1 quart every 300-500 miles. I bought a much newer Honda, and in the 6000 miles I've since added to its original 39,000 miles, I haven't seen any consumption. I'd just like to find out why one engine burns more than the next.   Thanks again for your input, as well as anyone else that responds to this thread!
#967 of 1114 Re: V6 Oil Consumption [gyusher] by hondadan Jun 15, 2009 (8:34 pm)
Replying to: gyusher (Jun 14, 2009 5:31 am) I'm very impressed by the 2.4 liter 4-cylinder that you have in your 08 EX-L. Honda went with something entirely different in that engine, and it's been a stellar product. We'll occasionally see a faulty solenoid or an occasional seal leaking, but those are few and far between. We commonly see these engines with 200,000 miles or better, and still not leaking oil, and running wonderfully. This was Honda's first engine(that I'm aware of) that used a timing chain, in place of a belt (a costly service at 105,000 miles). It first came out in 2002 in the CR-V, and is still being used in several 2010 model cars. I don't forsee this engine going away really soon. It has had several miner alterations, changes of electronics, etc, but is still essentially the same.   I believe that 1/2 quart at the first oil change (especially at 7,500 miles) is acceptable. 1/2 quart at the next oil change isn't quite as acceptable in my eyes. Engine break-in is viewed in so many different ways by so many different people, but they'll almost all agree that it is a vital period for the life of the engine.   The v6 has many extras that I do like over the 4 cylinder, but the 4 cylinder is still a superb vehicle. Lower maintenance costs, better fuel economy... Wonderful car. Glad you're happy with yours!

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