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#68 of 179 Any problems reported with the 2009 Matrix?
Mar 26, 2008 (7:19 pm)
I bought an 09 Matrix in February and I've noticed a few small problems. I'm wondering if any other owner has noticed the same? This is my first Toyota so I'm not sure what it normal. It's the XR Base, automatic with the 5 speed selector.
I live in Niagara Falls Canada, and it gets pretty cold here. I noticed that my windshield wipers tend to freeze to the windows when it's really cold and snowing, and the ice really chunks up and sticks the the wiper blades. It's never happened with my other cars, so I don't know what it is.
Also, lately I've noticed it takes a little longer for the engine to turn over when I'm starting the car. It seems to start fine in cold weather, but takes longer as the day warms up. I find it a little weird, but maybe I'm just not turning the key all the way. I'm always afraid that I will set off the panic alarm since the remote is in the key, unlike my other cars.
Is it possible for the music volume to increase as the speed does, and lower itself when the car slows down. I am positive this is happening in my car, but then again, it may just be a coincidence that the radio reception goes out in places, but I thought I'd ask.
Lastly, I find within the first 2 minutes of driving time, when I'm stopped at a street light or stop sign, it feels like the car is chugging. Not a lot, but enough to notice a little bit of a shake. After a few minutes, it stops doing it, so I'm not sure what this could be. Is it normal for Matrix's and other Toy's? I've tried warming up the car for 5 minutes when it's colder out, but it makes no difference.
Overall I love the car, but I've always been a fan of the Matrix. If anyone has any insight, I'd appreciate it greatly!
Mar 29, 2008 (7:55 am)
I was excited when I heard the Matrix would be all new for '09. We currently own a minivan, but with our kids growing up and moving out, our need for a minivan may be fading so we may be looking to downsize a bit without totally giving up the utility of a minivan.
The '09 Matrix is a more attractive looking vehicle than it's predessessor, but Toyota may have missed the mark in several key areas. While I haven't driven a Matrix yet, most people who have say the 1.8 liter vesion is a bit underpowered, and the 2.4 liter version is not very good in terms of fuel economy. A vehicle of this size and weight should do much better on gas. In fact, from what I've seen so far, considering price, fuel economy, and everything else in general, I'd be hard pressed to choose a Matrix over a Mazda 3 wagon. The 3 is much better looking, from the reviews I've read it drives and handles better, has more interior space, and is a bit less expensive. Fuel economy for the 2.3 liter version is about the same too. The only real advantage the Matrix has over the 3 that I can see is its rear seats fold completely flat, whereas the 3's rear seats fold down to a slight angle.
I really don't know what's going on with designers these days. They have to be aware of a given vehicle's shortcomings when they're putting through their paces before they go into production, and yet they produce them with the shortcomings anyway. Either they just don't care, or there's only so much improvements they can make with a given model.
#70 of 179 Re: Any problems reported with the 2009 Matrix? [alexisd]
Mar 29, 2008 (4:45 pm)
Yes, the radio can rise in volume as your speed increases, then quiet down again when you stop. I believe it is adjustable as one of the settings like bass and treble.
The engine runs at high rpms for the first couple of minutes after a cold start, and that is probably the chugging you are feeling. If the engine is actually rising and falling in revs (look at the tachometer to check) then you might want to have the dealer check it out.
As for long cranking/slow starting when the car is warmer, that was a trait of the old model with the 1.8, and since you have essentially the same 1.8 I would not be surprised that this trait has continued into the '09s.
bottgers: I agree, for an "all new" model, it is a fairly mild update. The only substantial change is the availability of the 2.4L powertrain. And some of the little changes are negative ones, like losing the opening glass in the back hatch.
#71 of 179 just got one
Mar 29, 2008 (6:04 pm)
We just picked up an 2009 matrix S AWD today. It drives a whole lot better than our old 2004 XR AWD. I like the new look of the body and wheels. The extra 50hp is noticable. It's got a little zip to it now. The ride seems quieter. Headlights are better. The only draw back is that I hit my knee on the passenger side. I'm 6'3" and my knee hits where the shifter area sticks out by my left leg on the passenger side.. Other than that, I like it.
#72 of 179 Re: just got one [loudog2]
Apr 04, 2008 (4:19 am)
Didn't your '04 have a 1.8 liter engine? If so, I believe it was rated at 130 HP. Your '09 has the 2.4 which is rated at 158 HP. That's a difference of 28 not 50 HP. Still noticeable though. I stopped at a Toyota dealership yesterday and looked at some the new '09's and I think they're way overpriced. Both the S and XR models were priced at 23 and 24K. I'm sorry, but these are 15k-18k vehicles even in the top trim levels. There's no way I'd pay over 20K for one of these cars. Toyota is pricing themselves right out of the market.
#73 of 179 Re: just got one [bottgers]
Apr 04, 2008 (8:55 am)
Scions seem like a much better value at their prices, but the xB only gets a 4-speed automatic, has uncomfortable flip down armrests in front and many people don't like the styling
#74 of 179 Re: just got one [bottgers]
Apr 04, 2008 (11:47 am)
Remember, the old Matrix AWD had a downrated engine due to the complexity of the exhaust curving around the AWD hardware. So it was rated at 123 hp. Technically, the new model has 35 hp more.
And the new one still has a 4-speed auto even though all the FWD models with the 2.4 get a 5-speed auto, That kinda sucks. Was it cost or 5-speed incompatibility with the AWD that led Toyota to do this? I am thinking incompatibility with the AWD, as the same is true in the RAV4. With the current push for fuel economy in all models, Toyota ought to figure out real quick how to stick the 5-speed auto in these AWD models.
#75 of 179 Re: just got one [nippononly]
Apr 04, 2008 (12:20 pm)
I was wondering the same thing about the trannies.
#76 of 179 Re: just got one [bottgers]
Apr 04, 2008 (12:34 pm)
sorry buddy! typo. I was thinking the horsepower(158) and got 50 stuck in my head. I meant 30hp or to be exact 28.
Apr 04, 2008 (12:42 pm)
I can't believe the rav4 fully loaded is as 4k less than a fully loaded highlander. I think prices in general are going up. My 2004 4runner woould be 2k higher today with the same options. Our 2004 matrix xr awd was stickered at $22,100, this one we got was stickered at $24.334. It's almost the same car. But now side airbags, vcs and traction control is included.