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All-New 2009 Toyota Matrix

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re: Matrix sidetrack by moontom
Oct 21, 2008 (6:37 pm)
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went to dealer today, hoping that I could get the 1.8L engine w/ Stability, sunroof, et al. NO DICE.
 
this is reeediculous!
 
I don't need AWD. don't want the 2.4. can't believe that Toyota has the car configured this way, given the fossil fuel situation. I've owned 6 toyos over the years, loved the philosophy and everything but I can't fathom this thinking. why force people who want safety options into the bigger power plant?
 
argh....
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re: Matrix sidetrack [moontom] by matrixgirl09
Oct 23, 2008 (7:11 pm)
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Replying to: moontom (Oct 21, 2008 6:37 pm)

The dealers don't want to put in custom orders. Don't know why.
 
I didn't want the sunroof because I figured that it would eventually leak.
 
I figured the car would be alright without stability. The odds of this car rolling over are very slim, compareds to the SUV I was driving.
 
But try another dealership. They are pretty desperate to sell any cars right now so you may get the upper hand.
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re: Matrix sidetrack [matrixgirl09] by nippononly
Oct 23, 2008 (9:21 pm)
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Replying to: matrixgirl09 (Oct 23, 2008 7:11 pm)

Dealers are especially averse to putting in an order on a Matrix right now, as they are all sitting on WAY too many that are already in inventory.
 
And old Toyotas with moonroofs usually don't leak - they do a pretty good job of those moonroofs, they are pretty durable.
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re: Matrix sidetrack [nippononly] by texasgirl2
Oct 26, 2008 (11:54 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Oct 23, 2008 9:21 pm)

I went into one of my local dealerships and was able to custom order my 2007 XR. They did a production change and I got exactly what I wanted. I had to wait about a month for it to come in. Unfortunately, about 2 months ago, that car was totaled by someone running a red light. I will tell you, that's a damn safe car! I was able to walk away relatively unhurt. So, I went back to the same dealership and was able to order my 2009 S with the exact options I wanted. At first my sales person was not too interested in ordering it for me, but I wouldn't budge on the idea. He told me it could take 3-4 months for the car to come in because they would have to do a production change. BUT it really only took about a month and a week to come in. It may not get the 33 MPG that my XR did, BUT I LOVE my car!
Some of the changes the made to the 09s are REALLY great. The sunroof now opens with just one touch of the button, rather than having to hold it until it's all the way open. The AUX jack and Bluetooth are my favorite options, I think.
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re: Matrix sidetrack [texasgirl2] by nippononly
Oct 28, 2008 (7:00 am)
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Replying to: texasgirl2 (Oct 26, 2008 11:54 am)

Do you miss the fact that the glass in the rear hatch doesn't open separately any more? I'm pretty sure I would, as I use that all the time.
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Re: Matrix sidetrack [ecotrklvr] by circuitsmith
Oct 28, 2008 (9:57 am)
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Replying to: ecotrklvr (Oct 02, 2008 8:01 pm)

I agree with ecotrklvr. No, gas is not all the same. Way back when I worked for the Mechanical Engineering Dept. of a large university. They had automotive labs with engines on dynos etc. One test that was often done was to measure the heat content of fuels with a bomb calorimeter. That is, how many calories of heat a given mass of fuel produced when burned. It id possible for a gasoline to meet the octane requirement and contain the required additives, yet create more or less energy when burned. Lower heat content is the main reason why ethanol reduces FE.
 
Independent gas stations buy their gas from several suppliers, whoever is cheapest. I shop for the cheapest gas and it often comes from independent stations. I occasionally get a tank of gas where the car runs fine but gets substantially lower mileage, under the same driving conditions, driving the same route, commuting to work, one week to the next. It happens less often now than it did 20 years ago. There used to be particular stations I would avoid.
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re: Matrix sidetrack [nippononly] by texasgirl2
Oct 28, 2008 (2:13 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Oct 28, 2008 7:00 am)

Yes, I do miss it. I'm not sure why that change was made. I also feel like it could use a 6th gear. With the engine being bigger, it accelerates a lot faster and I'm finding myself at about 3 RPM when I'm going 65-70 on the freeway - same as it was in my 07 with the smaller engine. All in all, I haven't really found any major complaints in the redesign.
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re: Matrix sidetrack [texasgirl2] by nippononly
Oct 28, 2008 (5:58 pm)
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Replying to: texasgirl2 (Oct 28, 2008 2:13 pm)

Well I checked, and with the 1.8 in my '07, I am at 2600 rpm or so when I'm going 65 mph in 5th.......the '09 actually revs HIGHER, even though it has a bigger engine??? No wonder its fuel economy is lower than the Camry with the same engine then.....
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re: Matrix sidetrack [nippononly] by mantech
Oct 28, 2008 (7:59 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Oct 28, 2008 5:58 pm)

Could you double check again your 07 Matrix, can't be 2600rpm at 65mph (110kph)
1ZZFE is a high revving engine. Why I can't forget these things I used to own an 07 Matrix and during that break in period I never exceed above 3000rpm. A 60mph(101kph) speed is already at 2900rpm! So please re-check it again.
My 09 Matrix (2ZRFE) revs 3000rpm at 110kph of course in 5th gear, but right now our gasoline are oxigenated that's why the MPG became lower, but still i could get 580k at 45L fill up. The 2.4L engine is a different story, It could consume 20MPG in city driving but this engine is really smooth running like a V6! 2300rpm at 100kph.
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re: Matrix sidetrack [mantech] by nippononly
Oct 30, 2008 (6:31 am)
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Replying to: mantech (Oct 28, 2008 7:59 pm)

Double-checked my '07, mantech, definitely 2600 rpm at 65 mph in 5th gear. One of the reasons the '08s and older had such good mileage with the manual was fairly tall gearing for such a small engine. I was disappointed to see that mileage drop by a point for the '09 models with the 1.8.
 
This was the wrong time for Toyota to be engineering new models that consumed more gas than the ones they replaced.

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