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Replying to: ecotrklvr (Oct 01, 2008 10:11 am) Whether that 'Techron' actually is anything of value is another discussion entirely.My contention is that while it might possibly keep a fuel injector cleaner a bit longer it certainly will have no effect on how economically (or powerfully) your engine runs. It's only Chevron (or whoever) that would like you to think it does. As far as octane increasing FE you are likely spot on - those of us saddled with E10 ethanol (EPA regs) (instead of MTBE) will definitely suffer from lower FE despite generally higher octane ratings on all grades of 'gas'.
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Replying to: captain2 (Oct 01, 2008 2:33 pm) So, do you have any experience with Arco? Or just belief in your theory that "all gas is the same"?
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Replying to: ecotrklvr (Oct 01, 2008 5:38 pm) Whether or not you think it runs differently in your particular experience is kinda inconsequential - the fact remains that the Gas itself is the same, it HAS to be. I do further suggest that advertising can be a powerful thing - whether or not some minor (and likely non-existent and inconsequential) additive has any real effect just might be a self fulfilling prophecy, it (the additives) are only something that Chevron (in this case) is hoping will make you think it is different thereby keeping you coming back for more.
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Replying to: captain2 (Oct 02, 2008 6:13 am) How did Chevron obtain a patent for Techron if it's "nebulous" (your term)? Why have many oil companies not been able to achieve Top Tier link title status for their gasoline, but a few top companies have? Do you realize that the EPA sets levels of additives in our gasoline, and that these levels change thru the year? link title And that they have changed many times, and will change again and again? Called anyone who has ever used Arco gas? And please tell me why we are writing about something other than the Toyota Matrix here? I'm done.
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Replying to: ecotrklvr (Oct 02, 2008 8:01 pm) Can't argue anything about Arco, in particular, since we don't have those stations down here in Texas, although it is not logical that it could be any better or worse simply because initially it comes from the same place as that Chevron gas you seem to like so much. I, for one, would not hesitate to buy Arco or any other 'brand' of gas if the price is right.
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Replying to: captain2 (Oct 03, 2008 10:19 am) Anything at all to write about the Toyota Matrix? I like it. You? What do you drive? And what brand(s) of gas do you buy? |
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Replying to: ecotrklvr (Oct 03, 2008 7:59 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Oct 05, 2008 7:53 pm) |
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Replying to: ecotrklvr (Oct 03, 2008 7:59 pm) never said that - but you did - see your post #138. Guess because you have had some problems with a particular brand or two - guess then it follows that everyone does. It's logic, I suppose.  I only talk about how the gas we use is manufactured and distributed and the commonality of source(s) - that is where my 'logic is'. As far as my 09 Matrix 1.8 Base model, it continues to hum along quite nicely at 30 mpg overall - my wife is the one that happens to drive it, she is quite happy with it as well. It is ultimately one heckuva practical vehicle! For my part, I feel Toyota has made a mistake in how it has chosen to equip the higher trim lines with the larger engine only - I think the car does fine with the smaller engine and think that 5 mpg or so is a big sacrifice even though gas prices have eased somewhat. I didn't like the unavailability of some options that I would have been willing to pay for otherwise simply because I wanted the extra FE. 
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Replying to: captain2 (Oct 06, 2008 8:37 am) I agree with you there - my 2007, of course, has the 1.8 and with a stick shift I manage 35 mpg as a running average. It is docile around town and plenty fast enough if I wind the engine out when I need the power. I think Toyota made this choice with the engines for the '09s because they are trying to push the Matrix as the smallest of the crossovers in the Toyota line, now that RAV4 has gotten so big. As such, it needs to have more power available for bigger loads and light-duty towing. Of course, they are also guilty of old-school thinking: the buyers with more money deserve a bigger more powerful engine, fuel consumption be damned. "Fuel consumption be damned" may leave our lexicon permanently very soon now....
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