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Replying to: john178 (Oct 28, 2009 5:59 pm) Maybe it's driver's like me, that drive their vehicles hard that require foreign quality. If Big 3 cars need to be babied to survive, I'm not signing up for one anytime soon. So far the only lemon I've owned was one from Chrysler's (PRE DAIMLER) days in the mid 90's. |
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Replying to: british_rover (Nov 06, 2009 2:51 pm) And yes, Korean brands warranties get cut in half when transferred to a second owner. But we're not talking used here are we? 
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Replying to: andres3 (Nov 06, 2009 9:25 pm) This is from warranty week in 2004: In the year just ended, automotive experts say roughly 16.68 million new vehicles were sold in the U.S. Warranty Week projects domestic U.S. auto warranty claims of roughly $7.9 billion, meaning an average of just under $476 in claims per vehicle sold in 2003. Using the warranty claims and accrual rates observed earlier in 2003 for each manufacturer, and applying those rates across a full year's sales, Warranty Week expects General Motors Corp. to spend roughly $537 on claims per vehicle. Ford Motor Co. will spend around $541. DaimlerChrysler AG will spend around $628. Their weighted average will be around $560 per vehicle across all their brands and product lines. Japanese imports, meanwhile, will average only $226 per vehicle in warranty claims, with Toyota/Lexus at $233 and Honda/Acura at $216 per vehicle sold in the U.S. Deservedly, these automakers are perceived to be manufacturers of high-quality vehicles that experience relatively few warranty claims. But not everything they make is top-rated, and not everything made in Detroit is at the bottom of the rankings. What's surprising is how wide the gap is between actual and perceived quality. warrantyweek Here is a more recent article on warranty costs and if Warrantyweek's calculations are correct, the domestics as of 07, still spend nearly 3 times as much on warranty claims per vehicle than Toy/Honda. Granted I still don't think it's a complete apples to oranges comparison as I'm sure GM/Ford/Doge commercially used diesel trucks etc. probably skew the numbers a bit. Regardless, interesting numbers to chew on and I'm sure Lemko will say the differences are due to the Asian auto refusing claims. LOL Interesting that Toyota's warranty costs per car shot up into 07 coinciding with the new Tundra and Camry which both had teething issues from what I've read.
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Replying to: dieselone (Nov 07, 2009 6:10 am) The quality perceptions still favor the Asians hands down but the recent huge issue at T will no doubt make a big difference when the issue is disclosed on the acceleration recall. The T response smells of GM-type con-artist denial at the moment. Didn't any of these companies remeber the huge brand goodwill J&J got relating to the 1982 Tylenol scare? Sheesh! Look's like the GM accountants that lost their jobs migrated to infect Toyota!  GM remains an also ran afaic, many notches down the shopping list. Inflated prices and then shell-game tactics at the dealers = no change. Ford is getting better and C-Fiat is off the chart on all considerations.  Regards, OW |
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Nov 07, 2009 5:59 am) You said... GM gives a 5 yr powertrain warranty to it's products, as opposed to the Japanese' 7yr warranty (some even give 8-10) or the Koreans' massive 10yr warranty. And that is absolutely false. Just look at the links again. Toyota doesn't give a seven year powertrain warranty. Even Lexus only gives a six year 70,000 miles powertrain warranty. The link to Subaru shows they give a five year 60,000 mile warranty not a six year warranty. The only japanese non-lux make that does give a warranty longer then five years is Mitsubishi but again who really cares about Mitsubishi. I liked Mitsubishi as a brand back in the 80s and 90s they had lots of interesting cars that were good alternatives to the other Japanese brands. Now the only thing they have interesting is the upper end Lancers and the EVO.
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 06, 2009 9:31 pm) "......Buick backs your new vehicle with its no-deductible, Bumper-to-Bumper Limited Warranty. The entire vehicle is warranted for repairs, including parts and labor, to correct problems in materials or workmanship, for 4 years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first (except normal maintenance). The warranty covers towing to the nearest Buick dealership, and there is no deductible for warranty repairs during the warranty period. The warranty transfers automatically with vehicle ownership during the warranty period." However, Mitsubishi's and Hyundai's says that the Audio systems, amps, nav systems dvd players or cd changers are only covered for 3/36. Furthermore, the refrigerant charge was only good for 1/12. Again, my warranty covers EVERYTHING (except normal wear items) for 4/50, and the powertrain for 5/100. No "exceptions"
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Was offered Malibu LS's all thru past year in the $18's. If this was bad pricing, then Accords and Camry's are in the what, $17's? I'll go price an Accord 4 cyl auto now for kicks.
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19216 Not understanding the bad pricing thing |
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Replying to: dave8697 (Nov 07, 2009 7:30 pm) Can't imagine you'd get much of a car for $18k regardless if it's an Accord, Camry, or Malibu. Heck, a Civic can easily go for nearly $20k. Chevy.com shows the Malibu starting at $21,800. Granted, I didn't build one or look at rebates etc. Accord is $21k. Would have to look at standard equipment to get any kind of apples to apples comparison.
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with some fine new products, including their all-electric i-MiEV. A new smaller SUV with AWD is in the works and the continuing success of the new Lancer and Sportback Lancer, and Outlander SUV. Eclipse and Galant are not selling real well, true. So it's not true that nobody cares about Mitsubishi. You could really say that someone like me really doesn't care about Toyota. That statement would be true for all intents and purposes. There's always gonna be people like myself who appreciate good and interesting and exciting and fun to look at and drive cars. Mitsu fits that bill nicely. Indeed my 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS has performed flawlessly and that car is the car I want to drive the most. Out of all cars made on the face of the earth today. That is the one. And I am a happy owner of one of those Lancer's.  Life is good. I'm not worried about Mitsubishi staying around. I read all of their press releases and they're staying for the Long-Haul. They just won an award for excellence in design for their new i-MiEV all-electric car from the Japanese Automotive Hall of Fame. They're doing just fine. Too many dorks in the U.S. are severely corn-fused as to what a good car is and is not and that's the real problem here. I'm serious. Mitsubishi relies on it's parent Mitsubishi Company to keep its automotive company going through thick and thin. As of now their CEO states they're staying in the U.S. market. I'm pleased as punch to know that, car-nuts.
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