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Replying to: british_rover (Nov 06, 2009 2:51 pm) It's true that Hyundai-Kia's 10/100 powertrain warranty drops to 5/60 for second owners, but that's still in line with the other Asian companies' nonluxury models. |
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Replying to: british_rover (Oct 28, 2009 11:17 am) Obviously the warranty company is the only one with real skin in the game. Sure if CR gets something really wrong they might get a dinged reputation or lose a few subscribers but they won't lose any real revenue. Your using the same ridiculously idiotic argument that idiots used before to claim Big 3 resale values were almost or just as good as foreign cars. They kept pointing to the lease guides that supposedly could predict "resale value" because the banks leasing guides had "skin in the game" as you say. So why did Chrysler and GM/GMAC lose so much money in their financial divisions? The leasing values were supposed to be infallible? Why did they stop leasing cars? It is because they were falsely predicting artificially inflatedly high values for big 3 vehicles, just like the appraisers of houses were providing falsely inflated appraisals of homes. It's all a big fraud. JD Powers is nothing but a paid for advertisement and is 100% worthless, also, they are often dead wrong. CR is the only scientifically sound source of reliability information, and has been historically accutate with real people's real experiences. MSN autos is worthless too, as they seem to follow JD POwers pay-for-performance ratings method. I don't want the spin, I want the truth, and CR is the only one I trust.
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Mitsubishi gives a 10 year and 100,000 mile Warranty on all of their cars. I have one on my 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS. And last I heard Mitsubishi is a Japanese automaker.
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Replying to: john178 (Oct 28, 2009 5:59 pm) Maybe it's driver's like me, that drive their vehicles hard that require foreign quality. If Big 3 cars need to be babied to survive, I'm not signing up for one anytime soon. So far the only lemon I've owned was one from Chrysler's (PRE DAIMLER) days in the mid 90's. |
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Replying to: british_rover (Nov 06, 2009 2:51 pm) And yes, Korean brands warranties get cut in half when transferred to a second owner. But we're not talking used here are we? 
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Replying to: andres3 (Nov 06, 2009 9:25 pm) This is from warranty week in 2004: In the year just ended, automotive experts say roughly 16.68 million new vehicles were sold in the U.S. Warranty Week projects domestic U.S. auto warranty claims of roughly $7.9 billion, meaning an average of just under $476 in claims per vehicle sold in 2003. Using the warranty claims and accrual rates observed earlier in 2003 for each manufacturer, and applying those rates across a full year's sales, Warranty Week expects General Motors Corp. to spend roughly $537 on claims per vehicle. Ford Motor Co. will spend around $541. DaimlerChrysler AG will spend around $628. Their weighted average will be around $560 per vehicle across all their brands and product lines. Japanese imports, meanwhile, will average only $226 per vehicle in warranty claims, with Toyota/Lexus at $233 and Honda/Acura at $216 per vehicle sold in the U.S. Deservedly, these automakers are perceived to be manufacturers of high-quality vehicles that experience relatively few warranty claims. But not everything they make is top-rated, and not everything made in Detroit is at the bottom of the rankings. What's surprising is how wide the gap is between actual and perceived quality. warrantyweek Here is a more recent article on warranty costs and if Warrantyweek's calculations are correct, the domestics as of 07, still spend nearly 3 times as much on warranty claims per vehicle than Toy/Honda. Granted I still don't think it's a complete apples to oranges comparison as I'm sure GM/Ford/Doge commercially used diesel trucks etc. probably skew the numbers a bit. Regardless, interesting numbers to chew on and I'm sure Lemko will say the differences are due to the Asian auto refusing claims. LOL Interesting that Toyota's warranty costs per car shot up into 07 coinciding with the new Tundra and Camry which both had teething issues from what I've read.
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Replying to: dieselone (Nov 07, 2009 6:10 am) The quality perceptions still favor the Asians hands down but the recent huge issue at T will no doubt make a big difference when the issue is disclosed on the acceleration recall. The T response smells of GM-type con-artist denial at the moment. Didn't any of these companies remeber the huge brand goodwill J&J got relating to the 1982 Tylenol scare? Sheesh! Look's like the GM accountants that lost their jobs migrated to infect Toyota!  GM remains an also ran afaic, many notches down the shopping list. Inflated prices and then shell-game tactics at the dealers = no change. Ford is getting better and C-Fiat is off the chart on all considerations.  Regards, OW |
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Nov 07, 2009 5:59 am) You said... GM gives a 5 yr powertrain warranty to it's products, as opposed to the Japanese' 7yr warranty (some even give 8-10) or the Koreans' massive 10yr warranty. And that is absolutely false. Just look at the links again. Toyota doesn't give a seven year powertrain warranty. Even Lexus only gives a six year 70,000 miles powertrain warranty. The link to Subaru shows they give a five year 60,000 mile warranty not a six year warranty. The only japanese non-lux make that does give a warranty longer then five years is Mitsubishi but again who really cares about Mitsubishi. I liked Mitsubishi as a brand back in the 80s and 90s they had lots of interesting cars that were good alternatives to the other Japanese brands. Now the only thing they have interesting is the upper end Lancers and the EVO.
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 06, 2009 9:31 pm) "......Buick backs your new vehicle with its no-deductible, Bumper-to-Bumper Limited Warranty. The entire vehicle is warranted for repairs, including parts and labor, to correct problems in materials or workmanship, for 4 years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first (except normal maintenance). The warranty covers towing to the nearest Buick dealership, and there is no deductible for warranty repairs during the warranty period. The warranty transfers automatically with vehicle ownership during the warranty period." However, Mitsubishi's and Hyundai's says that the Audio systems, amps, nav systems dvd players or cd changers are only covered for 3/36. Furthermore, the refrigerant charge was only good for 1/12. Again, my warranty covers EVERYTHING (except normal wear items) for 4/50, and the powertrain for 5/100. No "exceptions"
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Was offered Malibu LS's all thru past year in the $18's. If this was bad pricing, then Accords and Camry's are in the what, $17's? I'll go price an Accord 4 cyl auto now for kicks.
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