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Re: When you think about it... [m4d_cow] by dieselone
Nov 06, 2009 (7:02 am)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Nov 06, 2009 6:14 am)

IMO, warranties are primarily a marketing gimmick. I've never bought a vehicle based on a warranty and I never will. Who wants to live with a lousy car for ten years regardless of what the warranty is.
 
Ironically, Ford has probably one of the worst warranty's in the market, yet according to several sources (CU, JD Power, etc), their reliability is better than GM and Chrysler overall and is approaching Toy/Honda levels. That's not to say their cars are better, as reliability doesn't always equal desirability.
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Re: the Germans aren't happy [steve_] by nippononly
Nov 06, 2009 (7:41 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 04, 2009 8:50 am)

It's perfectly understandable that the German government is up in arms over the Opel thing, given all the money they plowed into it. GM basically broke its word here, and also broke its word to the American government, as the sale of Opel was one of the conditions of exiting bankruptcy so quickly.
 
We are setting a really really bad precedent here with the things we have allowed, even helped, GM to do. Not to mention, have paid for through the nose with taxpayer money. Banks and corporations will forever expect to be given a free pass by the government whenever they get into trouble, and really with what we did for GM and Chrysler (and AIG) why wouldn't they?
 
It will certainly keep me out of GM and Chrysler products for life, although I may be tempted by the 500 Abarth next year if that makes it here.
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Re: the Germans aren't happy [nippononly] by m4d_cow
Nov 06, 2009 (8:03 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Nov 06, 2009 7:41 am)

Here's another interesting note: it's looking forward to layoff about 10,000 more employees, including Opel's, to save money. I wonder how Opel and German government would react
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nippononly... by iluvmysephia1
Nov 06, 2009 (8:09 am)
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BO did the bailout as a "social medicine" thing. So many lives affected by such a mass casualty of losing so many GM jobs. I agree, though, that sets a schmaltzy example of what the Federal government is really for. We've pretty much beat that dead horse up ad naseum on Edmunds already, IMO.
 
GM should've been allowed to fail on it's own. Same with Chrysler. Neither has really done me so well that I would cry many tears over their demise. I have purchased several Fords though and would miss them a lot more.
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Re: When you think about it... [m4d_cow] by circlew
Nov 06, 2009 (11:17 am)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Nov 06, 2009 6:14 am)

Very easy to see that GM is still trying to con instead of help customers. It says to me not much has changed DESPITE going out of business.
 
May the best car win...
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: When you think about it... [circlew] by rayainsw
Nov 06, 2009 (11:37 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Nov 06, 2009 11:17 am)

"Very easy to see that GM is still trying to con instead of help customers. "
 
Um - what exactly is so easy to see
that leads you to that conclusion?
- Ray
Apparently 'easy to con'.....
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Re: When you think about it... [rayainsw] by circlew
Nov 06, 2009 (12:55 pm)
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Replying to: rayainsw (Nov 06, 2009 11:37 am)

Ray, I know you only buy great cars and the G8GT is one of them. But GM continues to price wrong and really only has a few desirable cars at the moment. To say "May the best car win" is a great marketing statement but from the mouths of a bankrupt company on taxpayer relief, we really need to see a whole lot more before I for one shop them again. AFAIC, they will be playing catch up to some stiff competition so the best cars WILL win but will not be GM in almost all categories save pick-up trucks.
 
There are recent cases such as the botched release of the first Camaro that was plagued with problems. The LaCrosse would have been the same except they admitted they needed to hold it up to fix some "fit and finish" issues.
 
Axing the G8 was brilliant, continuing 5 brands and cloaking the "war of the clones" (Eqinox/Terrain/SRX - Acadia/Traverse/Enclave), speaks with a forked tongue from my pov.
 
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: When you think about it... [m4d_cow] by cooterbfd
Nov 06, 2009 (2:23 pm)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Nov 06, 2009 6:14 am)

".....GM gives a 5 yr powertrain warranty to it's products, as opposed to the Japanese' 7yr warranty (some even give 8-10) or the Koreans' massive 10yr warranty."
 
So, what Japanese company gives a 7, 8 or 10 year warranty? And if you buy a 2 yr old used Korean car, do you get to keep the warranty?
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Re: When you think about it... [m4d_cow] by british_rover
Nov 06, 2009 (2:51 pm)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Nov 06, 2009 6:14 am)

No Japanese non-luxury car has a 7 year warranty.
 
There you go
 
Scroll down to the warranty tab about 2/3s of the way down.
 
Honda, Toyota, Nissan and Mazda all give 3 year 36,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty and a five year 60,000 mile powertrain warranty.
 
The same as Ford by the way.
 
Corrosion warranty is the same across the board. Ford gives a longer road side assistance program then anyone else.
 
I just added Subaru in there for the legacy. They have the same warranty as all the others.
 
link title
 
Luxury car comparison all the Japanese makes and Caddy.
 
None of them have a 7 year warranty.
 
They all have six year 70,000 mile power train warranties but caddy is five year 100,000 miles.
 
Depends on how you drive if it is better to have the one extra year or the 30,000 miles.
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Re: When you think about it... [british_rover] by 210delray
Nov 06, 2009 (7:25 pm)
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Replying to: british_rover (Nov 06, 2009 2:51 pm)

The problem with 5/100 is that most people don't drive 20K miles per year, so they'll run out of time well before the 100K mile mark. 5/60 or 6/70 are far more realistic for most.
 
It's true that Hyundai-Kia's 10/100 powertrain warranty drops to 5/60 for second owners, but that's still in line with the other Asian companies' nonluxury models.

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