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Re: Here's an interesting evolution... [m4d_cow] by ingvar
Nov 04, 2009 (8:35 am)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Nov 04, 2009 6:32 am)

But now this unionized company selling non-premium cars for premium money on US market (audi a3, audi a4 2.0T)
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Re: Here's an interesting evolution... [m4d_cow] by tlong
Nov 04, 2009 (8:48 am)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Nov 04, 2009 6:32 am)

Can you see the irony? It all started as a union of 4 separate, distinct companies, and then slowly each began to lose it's identities until nothing is left but the rings that mark the union.
 
The irony is GM's. If Audi were GM they would have *retained* each of those 5 company names, putting out rebadges of the A3, A4, A5, A6, A8, S4, R8, Q5, Q7, TT, etc. under each name, for a total of over 40 models. They would have 5 sets of redundant dealerships who competed with each other. Then their reps would come on Edmunds and claim that the brand structure did not add any cost to their operation and that they brought in more buyers in different demographics that way.
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the Germans aren't happy by steve_ HOST
Nov 04, 2009 (8:50 am)
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"General Motors' (GM) decision to hang on to its European car unit Opel, including Vauxhall, was welcomed in the UK but met with anger in Germany.
 
German leaders and labour unions had favoured a sale, to Canadian car parts maker Magna, as the best way to save German jobs as it included a guarantee that no German factory would be closed."
 
German fury over GM Opel U-turn (BBC)
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Re: Here's an interesting evolution... [ingvar] by dieselone
Nov 04, 2009 (9:26 am)
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Replying to: ingvar (Nov 04, 2009 8:35 am)

But now this unionized company selling non-premium cars for premium money on US market (audi a3, audi a4 2.0T)
 
Okay, if you say so. It's been a while since I've sampled an A4 2.0T, but I had a coworker that owned an A3 and it was a very nice car, definitely premium in my book. I guess small = non-premium? Back when I owned a 2000 Jetta TDI the interior quality and fit-n-finish absolutely shamed my grandpa's 2000 Park Ave. I don't think you'll ever find a door seam/panel gap in a VW/Audi that you could put a finger in. I could nearly put my thumb into some of the gaps on that Park Ave.
 
My wife's 07 GP is nearly as bad, nothing lines up right and the gaps change as you walk around the car. Truely pathetic. Are things changing? I'm still not convinced.
 
Two months ago, Mark LaNeve, at the time G.M.’s vice president for United States sales, said quality issues at the assembly plant in Kansas City, Kan., were holding up delivery of the LaCrosse. In an e-mail message, Randal Fox, a Buick spokesman, said, “The issues are minor (mainly fit and finish), but we want to make sure the cars are right before they’re shipped.” Sounds like more of the same to me.
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Re: the Germans aren't happy [steve_] by m4d_cow
Nov 05, 2009 (12:59 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 04, 2009 8:50 am)

Why am I not surprised?
 
tlong: LMAO so true...
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When you think about it... by m4d_cow
Nov 06, 2009 (6:14 am)
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GM gives a 5 yr powertrain warranty to it's products, as opposed to the Japanese' 7yr warranty (some even give 8-10) or the Koreans' massive 10yr warranty.
 
It's a bit easy to see just how, uh, confident (or not) GM is with the longetivity of it's cars isn't it?
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Re: When you think about it... [m4d_cow] by dieselone
Nov 06, 2009 (7:02 am)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Nov 06, 2009 6:14 am)

IMO, warranties are primarily a marketing gimmick. I've never bought a vehicle based on a warranty and I never will. Who wants to live with a lousy car for ten years regardless of what the warranty is.
 
Ironically, Ford has probably one of the worst warranty's in the market, yet according to several sources (CU, JD Power, etc), their reliability is better than GM and Chrysler overall and is approaching Toy/Honda levels. That's not to say their cars are better, as reliability doesn't always equal desirability.

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