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Replying to: tlong (Nov 01, 2009 5:11 pm) Obama should have made everyone, including the senior UAW workers take salary and work rule hits instead of letting the oldtimers continue to line their pockets while they rape the company. Too much of the union givebacks focused on new employees. I guess putting it to management and white collar employees makes better political headlines and if the UAW succeeds in ruining Ford and GM that will eventually happen on someone elses watch. Money spent on UAW only reduces funds for product development, engineering and marketing, but who cares because those efforts aren't part of the union, right? |
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Replying to: berri (Nov 01, 2009 12:49 pm)
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Replying to: john178 (Nov 02, 2009 3:32 am) I wonder if Ford and Chrysler will find a way to release themselves from UAW's paws. Maybe they can stop making contracts with UAW after 2011, that can work. GM, unfortunately, won't be able to do that so easily. With the government's share in it I bet they'd pressure the feds to keep hiring UAW members. I see small chance of progress at F, much less at C and GM... |
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Replying to: fezo (Oct 31, 2009 5:35 pm) Interesting point. From what I see, despite the products doing ok in terms of sales, none of them managed to dethrone the kings yet. Malibu, for instance, still can't beat Cam-Cord, yet at the same time Ford got the mighty fine new Fusion and Hyundai unweils a brand new Sonata. The same case applies to almost all other decent GM models. GM is getting pinned from every direction, not good. |
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Replying to: tlong (Oct 31, 2009 5:42 pm) Well, don't forget, the UAW will have to show restraint w/ GM, as the VEBA "owns" 35% of GM. As for Ford, they have made money (as of today) $1 billion last quarter, and company liquidity is up over $2 bil for the year. Still, the UAW should offer concessions to Ford. |
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Replying to: fezo (Nov 01, 2009 6:15 am) depends on what it is you are looking for. It is odd to see no Chevy dealer w/in 30 miles, especially w/ all those other makers in the area. At least GM IS still represented. If you are looking for a truck or suv/cuv, at least the GMC will still offer that. A small ecenomy car, well, I guess you'll be going elsewhere. |
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Nov 02, 2009 1:58 pm) BTW - I'm down in Florida with the family in a rented Impala. There's nothing terribly wrong with it for the kids of driving I'm doing here. Sure it's a bit long in the tooth but it does what it's supposed to do - carry me, my wife and three of the kids (had the fourth come down I'd have had to go to a minivan) and all luggage quietly and smoothly. Fortunately there aren't any curves here. I hit one on an exit and it didn't like it at all... People who think that the perceived difference between domestic and imports is greater than the actual difference may have a point but the perception counts for a great deal. In terms of handling I still prefer several imports - and Ford better than GM which I never thought I'd say - but that's me. |
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Nov 02, 2009 1:58 pm) Realistically, go elesewhere unless they're Rocky or UAW. GM has not had any competitive small economy cars anyway. If somebody goes out to buy one of the best 3 cars in this class, GM is not in consideration anyway, which is a bigger problem than the distance to a specific dealer. |
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Nov 02, 2009 1:58 pm) As for the odds of looking at a Chevy, well, if you're looking for a truck based SUV nothing's better than a Tahoe. Other than that, well, you might look at Chevy as a, uh, 3rd, or maybe 4th option? 
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