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Update... by andre1969
Oct 29, 2009 (10:16 am)
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it was my uncle's '97 Silverado that left him stranded, not his Corolla. Sucks either way, but I was kinda rooting for the Corolla...just to show that they are mortal, after all!
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Re: Update... [andre1969] by fezo
Oct 29, 2009 (11:43 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Oct 29, 2009 10:16 am)

See? They're not!
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Re: deltheking... [andre1969] by nippononly
Oct 29, 2009 (11:46 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Oct 29, 2009 7:37 am)

But doesn't your uncle's Corolla have like 200K miles by now? I would say after 150K all bets are off for all makes and models, although you would hope that the drivetrain (engine internals, transmission, and axles/driveshafts) would make it to 200K at least before needing expensive repair.
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Re: American Car StoryTelling [almatti] by elias
Oct 29, 2009 (12:08 pm)
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Replying to: almatti (Oct 29, 2009 9:50 am)

wow, almatti, you said that the chevy citation was a very good car.
I've seen many things written about that car but never anything so positive.
Or positive at all! :|
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Re: American Car StoryTelling [almatti] by dieselone
Oct 29, 2009 (12:29 pm)
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Replying to: almatti (Oct 29, 2009 9:50 am)

Would have to agree on the Pathfinder and Town Car/ Crown Vic platform. I too had an 01 Pathfinder and it was probably one of the best built vehicles I've owned. Just rock solid and in a totally different league than my 2000 Suburban which felt like a wet noodle after driving back to back. Unfortunately, the newer Nissan's don't seem as well put together.
 
I know many who drove Town Cars to high miles, my dad put over 250k on a 92 Crown Vic with very few problems. Those were mainly in town miles too.
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Re: deltheking... [nippononly] by cooterbfd
Oct 29, 2009 (12:54 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Oct 27, 2009 5:47 am)

".....All those trucks are not smart for Toyota either. "
 
THAT was exactly my point. All the "models" from Saturn, Pontiac, Hummer and Saab are being shed.
 
As of now, all GM has are the 900 series BOF's, the 4 (soon to be 3) lambda variants, and the 3 Theta variants. Basically, I think the entire premise of GMC is to allow more access to the GMT 900's through more dealers. In other words, the Caddy/Buick dealers that have GMC can offer what is essentially a Chevy Truck. I would, however, drop the Acadia, especially if Cadillac gets a Lambda based Escalade.
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Re: deltheking... [nippononly] by andre1969
Oct 29, 2009 (1:03 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Oct 29, 2009 11:46 am)

But doesn't your uncle's Corolla have like 200K miles by now?
 
I'm not sure how many miles it has on it. Probably somewhere between 180-200K. A few years back, he was doing an easy 150-160 miles per day, if not more. But nowadays I think it's down to 90-100 per day, and he had to cut back to 3 days per week because of health problems. Overall it's been a good car. My mechanic, who specializes in Mopars, even swears by Corollas. Whereas the Mopars sometimes get sworn at.
 
I think the two most expensive repairs he had were the water pump and catalytic converter, but both of them were well north of 100,000 miles.
 
Now his '97 Silverado, in comparison, has been a bit of an embarrassment. Two transmission rebuilds, one around 70K, the other around 108K. Brake work galore. Water pump. Some other odds and ends I'm probably forgetting. And now, the fuel pump or whatever stranded him today. And while it's only a sample of one on one, comparing it to my '85 Silverado, which has been in the family since new, the '85 has been the better truck!
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Re: deltheking... [cooterbfd] by nippononly
Oct 29, 2009 (3:20 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Oct 29, 2009 12:54 pm)

All the "models" from Saturn, Pontiac, Hummer and Saab are being shed.
 
Yes, but none of those brands except Hummer HAD any of the BOF trucks! So as a percentage of the total number of GM models, BOFs make up more of the total of GM offerings now than they did before S, P, H, and Saab took their final bow.
 
There is no need to continue the GMC line of light-duty passenger vehicles when there is so much overlap with Chevy, and what with gas prices and new CAFE rules and whatnot, GMC is just a boat anchor on the company.
 
On the Toyota side, it is inscrutable to me that Toyota decided in the last 18 months to revise and continue both the Land Cruiser and 4Runner lines as BOF trucks. They will soon be in a class of one, but not for the right reasons, and it will hurt them in the long run.
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Re: deltheking... [andre1969] by imidazol97
Oct 29, 2009 (3:26 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Oct 29, 2009 1:03 pm)

>two most expensive repairs he had were the water pump and catalytic converter, but both of them were well north of 100,000 miles.
 
For the record my GMs have never had a catalytic converter go bad, I haven't replaced a water pump since my 1980 Cutlass 260 cu. in.
1981 Skylark
1985 Skyhawk
1987 Century
1989 Century
1993 leSabre (150K)
1998 leSabre (currently 170K)
2003 leSabre (currently 100K)
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Re: deltheking... [imidazol97] by fezo
Oct 29, 2009 (4:23 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Oct 29, 2009 3:26 pm)

I'm in the never replaced a catalytic converter camp, too.

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