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Re: Andre [gagrice] by torque_r
Jul 12, 2009 (7:10 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 12, 2009 4:25 pm)

It will be called Caprice because that's what the car you saw in the picture is, a Caprice. The Chevy Caprice has been sold in the Middle East for years, based on the Aussie Holden, and now it is coming here. Further, The base price of $28,000 is more than what other full-size cars cost. Chevy still needs the FWD Impala, unless, of course, GM decides to build the car here, which will reduce the cost significantly and make it more mainstream.
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Re: Andre [torque_r] by jae5
Jul 13, 2009 (3:42 am)
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Replying to: torque_r (Jul 12, 2009 7:10 pm)

Thanks torque, was thinking the same. Thye are really bringing the ME Caprice over here, and this kind of ties into ideas / thoughts that were tossed around years ago when the "Aussie Experiment" first started. The Caprice / Buick project was to come over here, with Impala SS / possibly GS versions to spawn off later. But with the on-again / off-again / back-on / no wait, back-off Zeta and Sigma platform debacles it's just amazing they're keeping any RWD outside of CTS.
 
But as everyone else said, make mine Impala SS with six taillights please It'd make a nice bookend to the '65. And if I could just get my hands on a Ute...
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Re: G8 lives on!!!!!! [cooterbfd] by lemko
Jul 13, 2009 (4:26 am)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jul 12, 2009 4:18 am)

Sounds like it lives on elsewhere. Big deal! It's just like those beautiful Buicks they sell only in China. Why do car companies dumb-down their designs for the NA market. I was having a discussion about the Ford Focus and our Focus is at least a generation behind the European Focus.
 
And yes, just call this car an Impala...mmm-kay?
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Re: G8 lives on!!!!!! [andre1969] by lemko
Jul 13, 2009 (4:28 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jul 12, 2009 7:16 am)

I wouldn't taint even the Bel Air name by attaching it to this modern day Lumina or Accord on steroids. Call it a Biscayne, Del Rey, or even a 210. The barest bones cars can be a 150.
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Re: G8 lives on!!!!!! [lemko] by gagrice
Jul 13, 2009 (5:19 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jul 13, 2009 4:26 am)

Why do car companies dumb-down their designs for the NA market.
 
The key word is DUMB. The average American car buyers are not much smarter, when it comes to vehicles, than a box of rocks. If it starts and gets them to work it is a thing of beauty.
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Re: G8 lives on!!!!!! [lemko] by fintail
Jul 13, 2009 (7:49 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jul 13, 2009 4:26 am)

Everything in the US is dumbed down - all consumer products. Thank those who work to enable globalization. The US will become second world.
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Re: G8 lives on!!!!!! [lemko] by dino001
Jul 13, 2009 (8:20 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jul 13, 2009 4:26 am)

Big deal! It's just like those beautiful Buicks they sell only in China. Why do car companies dumb-down their designs for the NA market.
 
Simple answer - money. Did you notice how much a new Focus costs there vs. here when similarly equipped?
 
1. Euro customer is less affuent and is used to buying vehicle less frequently. In return they have specific quality, fit and finish, ride and content requirements that are must. In other words - they have less money, buy it less frequently, pay more, but also expect more.
2. US customer has very specific demands regarding size and feature content, but beyond that all they want is price, price and did I mention price? The habit of buying/leasing every three years made them treat the vehicles similar to rental cars: has to take you from A to B, needs AC, power locks and windows and large cushy seats for evergrowing bottoms - and rest doesn't really matter. Steering wheel can have half-turn play, panels may have 3" misalignments, plastics can be hard as a rock. Even Honda or Toyota runs NA-specific designs that skimp on "upscale" touches in sake of covering basics.
 
3. There are some local issues, too, like great UAW labor killing any innovation there may be, etc.
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Re: G8 lives on!!!!!! [fintail] by ingvar
Jul 13, 2009 (9:36 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jul 13, 2009 7:49 am)

Everything in the US is dumbed down
Objection!!! Not everything, McDonals has a good coffee like Starbucks.
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Re: G8 lives on!!!!!! [ingvar] by andre1969
Jul 13, 2009 (9:43 am)
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Replying to: ingvar (Jul 13, 2009 9:36 am)

Yeah, but we were also dumbed down into believing that a $5 cup of coffee from Starbucks was worth it!
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Re: G8 lives on!!!!!! [gagrice] by jae5
Jul 13, 2009 (9:44 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 13, 2009 5:19 am)

Don't forget the 20 cup-holders (with half of those able to swallow the Big Gulp) and 30 cubby holes for drinks, snacks, phones, iPods, crumbs, used wrappers and the like. No cup-holers, the vehicle's no good.
 
I remember one magazine article years ago giving BMW a slight simply because they didn't offer cup-holders on their cars, particularly the 5-series. Then they came out with a cupholder but to their credit they made it so horrible it wasn't worth using. BMW felt a vehicle was supposed to be driven, not used as a place to hold drinks, go figure right?

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