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#6805 of 8053 Re: Is the 2010 LaCrosse already getting stepped on? [dave8697] by iwant12 Jul 03, 2009 (3:36 pm)
Replying to: dave8697 (Jul 03, 2009 3:01 pm) I for one like the new LaCrosse (would never consider the '09). The '10 looks like a comfortable cruiser (wish it was RWD, though). I like the looks of it. I hope it sells well. Can't wait for a detailed review. Wonder when they'll hit the lots?   Happy 4th!!!   Regards, Dale
#6806 of 8053 Re: Buick sales may rebound [nippononly] by cooterbfd Jul 03, 2009 (4:19 pm)
Replying to: nippononly (Jul 03, 2009 12:55 pm) ".....Yours is based on your perception (and critical review) of new and upcoming product, mine is based on sales figures.    But the sales figures show a continuing decline even AFTER these new and acclaimed models (like Enclave) came out."   Yes, there was a continuing decline, ONLY because $4/gal gas supressed Enclave (and all SUV) sales down. Again, the Lucerne and Lacrosse are OLD models today, coupled with the fact that fleet sales are down significantly for these 2 models. Also, while sales are sliding Buick has STOPPED the 40 and 50% sales declines, losing "only" 10% as opposed to Infinity or Acura, still losing 1/3 of their sales.   ".....A 5500-pound minivan without the sliding doors and some small tweaks on an age-old formula for large 4-door sedans are not going to cut it. "   Based on that, I guess we could say ALL CUV'S are overglorified minivans. The new Lacrosse isn't a "tweak" it's a new car altogether. Replies to this message: bumpy (Jul 03, 2009 5:37 pm) cooterbfd (Jul 03, 2009 6:36 pm)
#6807 of 8053 Re: Buick sales may rebound [cooterbfd] by circlew Jul 03, 2009 (4:39 pm)
Replying to: cooterbfd (Jul 03, 2009 7:08 am) "Bling" was standard in the 50's....we called it Style. The cars were made like battleships. If the metal was impervious to rust, these cars would still be on the streets in numbers.     Regards, OW
#6808 of 8053 Re: Buick sales may rebound [tlong] by circlew Jul 03, 2009 (4:41 pm)
Replying to: tlong (Jul 03, 2009 8:00 am) Excellent post! If the 2010 LaCrosse had migrated to either top of the line Chevy or low end Caddy, there would be a major enhancement to either marquee....too bad it's wasted on BUICK.   Regards, OW
#6809 of 8053 Re: Buick sales may rebound [cooterbfd] by dino001 Jul 03, 2009 (4:43 pm)
Replying to: cooterbfd (Jul 03, 2009 11:22 am) It all depends what the goals were. Rolls Royce or Ferrari sold even fewer cars, so what. GM is not Ferrari, Buick certainly is not Rolls Royce.   The problem with pretty much all GM's brands was not just in number of vehicles sold, but size of the shortfall from what was their minimum required to reach profitability, or even maintain survival.   This year everybody is in the tank - the difference is some have cash, R&D and market position needed to make it to the other side of the slump, others had to be nationalized, force taxpayers to pay their bills, have their creditors trampled, shut off or sell half of their operations. There is a big difference.
#6810 of 8053 Re: Buick sales may rebound [cooterbfd] by circlew Jul 03, 2009 (4:45 pm)
Replying to: cooterbfd (Jul 03, 2009 11:22 am) Agreed, the marketing is a dud. Take a look at the economy now. As I said, wasted on Buick...shoulda' been a Caddy or Chevy.   I will repeat this many times in the future until Buick goes the way of Olds.   Regards, OW
#6811 of 8053 Re: Buick sales may rebound [cooterbfd] by bumpy Jul 03, 2009 (5:37 pm)
Replying to: cooterbfd (Jul 03, 2009 4:19 pm) Lacrosse and Lucerne both started off with good peaks in their first summer on the market (2005 and 2006 respectively), then sales steadily eroded without regard to gas prices or the economy in general. Enclave got off to a modest start and is generally holding its own over the last year. Replies to this message: cooterbfd (Jul 03, 2009 6:36 pm)
#6812 of 8053 Re: Buick sales may rebound [bumpy] by cooterbfd Jul 03, 2009 (6:36 pm)
Replying to: bumpy (Jul 03, 2009 5:37 pm) Both the Lacrosse and the Lucerne were restyles of old platforms. Again, in the last 2 years, I'll bet a significant amount of the dropoff was due to a pullback in fleet sales.   As far as Buick vs. Rolls or Ferrari, I'm sure that they are far happier with their sales numbers than GM is with Buicks, as they cater to a MUCH MUCH smaller market than Buick. Last June, Honda sold almost 12,500 Acuras. This June; just under 8,300. Last June, GM sold 9,600 Buicks vs. 8,600 this June. GM must be happy with the fact that sales are reletively steady, especially considering that it could be assumed that many (like me) are holding off their purchase until the new LaCrosse is available.   The dealer I'm dealing with anticipates his first 4 will arrive next week.
#6814 of 8053 Re: Buick sales may rebound [cooterbfd] by lemko Jul 04, 2009 (5:23 am)
Replying to: cooterbfd (Jul 03, 2009 7:08 am) That gets back to something I've been complaining about for a long time. American car manufacturers forgot how to make AMERICAN CARS! They're in the shape they're in because for the last 20 years or so, they've been trying to make copies of Asian or European cars and falling flat on their faces. Replies to this message: motownturns50 (Jul 04, 2009 5:49 am) cooterbfd (Jul 04, 2009 6:32 am) andre1969 (Jul 04, 2009 8:16 am) and 6 more... circlew (Jul 04, 2009 6:31 pm)

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