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Re: Buick sales may rebound [nippononly] by cooterbfd
Jul 01, 2009 (12:59 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jul 01, 2009 12:02 pm)

"......This notion is a fallacy in my area (west coast). Nothing will boost Buick showroom traffic."
 
That's fine. There are almost twice as many people living in the Northeast Corridor (from northern Va to Maine) as Cali. We'll take care of that.
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Re: 4x8? [steve_] by cooterbfd
Jul 01, 2009 (1:02 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 01, 2009 12:53 pm)

".....- if the old Buick VistaCruisers were wide enough, "
 
Ummm, they were OLDSMOBILE Vista Cruisers. Buicks were Sportwagons and Estate Wagons. The '57 version was a Caballero
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Re: 4x8? [cooterbfd] by steve_ HOST
Jul 01, 2009 (1:05 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jul 01, 2009 1:02 pm)

Yeah, yeah, don't get me started on my Body by Fisher rant that started back when I was ten and I began wondering why our family's '52 Buick (a Special I think) had the same fancy sill plate logo as Chevys and Caddys. Why pay more for a badge if they all had the same underpinnings?
 
Stuff like that led to GM's demise.
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Re: Isnt the answer so simple? [m4d_cow] by tlong
Jul 01, 2009 (1:22 pm)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Jul 01, 2009 11:35 am)

CTS is good, but an additional quality improvement can make it great. If you can add for one more step towards prefection, why not???? They should learn from the old management's mistakes.
 
Are you suggesting that GM *incrementally improve*? Oh the humanity!
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Re: 4x8? [steve_] by cooterbfd
Jul 01, 2009 (1:22 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 01, 2009 1:05 pm)

".....Stuff like that led to GM's demise."
 
You laugh, but when I look at my '29 Buick, there are quite a bit of similarities between it and a Chevy, Olds, or Oakland of the same year. In fact, the body manual I have is a Fisher Body, and not a Buick/ Fisher Body.
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Re: 4x8? [cooterbfd] by steve_ HOST
Jul 01, 2009 (1:24 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jul 01, 2009 1:22 pm)

Yeah, 80 years of that stuff will kill a car company.
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Re: Buick sales may rebound [nippononly] by xrunner2
Jul 01, 2009 (1:45 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jul 01, 2009 12:02 pm)

This notion is a fallacy in my area (west coast). Nothing will boost Buick showroom traffic.
 
Do west coast people have open minds? What if new Lacrosse gets grand slam home run reviews - will CA people ignore it? Certainly the styling on the latest Buicks is not stogdy. The Enclave has better styling than the snobbish Beamer crossovers they call SAVs.
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Re: 4x8? [steve_] by cooterbfd
Jul 01, 2009 (1:56 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 01, 2009 1:24 pm)

Seriously, what started the ball rolling was the loss of individuality for each of the car companies. 80 yrs ago, Buick had a OHV 6 cyl, whereas Caddy had a flathead V8. Chevy didn't get an 8 until 25 years after Buick.
 
In a few weeks, I'll go look at a Lacrosse with the same engine as a CTS AND the Malibu. It is amazing that something like this will dog GM, yet 40 yrs ago Ford and Chrysler were putting corporate engines in their cars.
 
Now, I know an issue like this is only the tip of the iceberg, and there are far bigger problems dogging GM, but giving the brands back some form of individuality and character will go a long way towards a recovery, along with quality, reliability and price.
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Re: Buick sales may rebound [xrunner2] by cooterbfd
Jul 01, 2009 (2:03 pm)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jul 01, 2009 1:45 pm)

".....Do west coast people have open minds? What if new Lacrosse gets grand slam home run reviews - will CA people ignore it?"
 
Of course they will. Whatever Hollywood does, the rest of the Fashonista's blindly follow.
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Re: 4x8? [cooterbfd] by steve_ HOST
Jul 01, 2009 (2:21 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jul 01, 2009 1:56 pm)

I makes you wonder what's the bigger "commodity" automobile - Henry Ford's Model T or any recent GM brand.
 
Then again, I have trouble distinguishing or justifying Toyota/Lexus, Nissan/Infiniti or Honda/Acura, much less Chevy and Buick.
 
My wife is shopping Scions ... because she likes Toyotas.

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