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Re: 4x8? [tomcatt630] by lemko
Jul 01, 2009 (10:46 am)
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Replying to: tomcatt630 (Jul 01, 2009 8:09 am)

Drywall still comes in 4 x 8 sheets.
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Re: Buick sales may rebound [fezo] by lemko
Jul 01, 2009 (10:50 am)
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Replying to: fezo (Jul 01, 2009 8:14 am)

Back in the day, the only people who had SUVs were sportsmen like hunters or anglers. The vehicles were hardly the plush soccer-mommy mobiles of today. They were like Chevrolet Blazers with vinyl seats and rubber floormats that dirt, mud, and other debris could easily be hosed-off and had removable fiberglass tops. They were pretty barren without power windows, power seats, and other such amenities that are now "necessary."
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Re: One disadvantage of station wagons... [andre1969] by lemko
Jul 01, 2009 (10:54 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jul 01, 2009 9:50 am)

For tall items, get yourself a 1964 Studebaker Wagonaire! I recall there was an SUV with a sliding rear roor, but it was short-lived. Probably because it leaked like the Wagonaire did. The original plan for the 1955-57 Chevrolet Nomad was to have a telescoping rear roof. The fluted roof portion is a vestige of that aborted idea.
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Re: One disadvantage of station wagons... [lemko] by andre1969
Jul 01, 2009 (11:00 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jul 01, 2009 10:54 am)

Yeah, there was a version of the GMC Envoy that had a sliding roof. I don't know if it leaked or not, but it just wasn't very popular.
 
As far as wagons go, I liked that 1984-ish Parisienne Safari we saw at Carlisle...but not at the $4995 price tag!
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Re: One disadvantage of station wagons... [lemko] by fezo
Jul 01, 2009 (11:09 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jul 01, 2009 10:54 am)

You beat me to it with the Studebaker! I remember those - not that there were many of them.
 
Of course for early SUV types there was this -
 

 
Jeep wagoneer
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Re: Buick sales may rebound [andre1969] by dieselone
Jul 01, 2009 (11:29 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jun 30, 2009 8:38 am)

The old/dowdy image wouldn't keep me from buying a Buick, if I still thought the car was good enough. But, I can understand the rationale that many people have for not buying them, and unfortunately the nameplate might have too much excess baggage associated with it at this point.
 
The other day I was towing our boat down to the lake where we keep it with the Expedition. It's about a 60 mile one way drive down lots of two lane country road. Not once, not twice, but three time I had to pass excessively slow drivers going between 40-50 on a rural, flat, and straight country road with a 55 mph speed limit. You'll never guess what the 3 cars where.... Well maybe, the first was a Park Ave, the second was a Lucerne, and the 3rd believe it or not was a Lacrosse. I was laughing to myself thinking about the debate on these forums regarding Buick's reputation, and also about what were the odds of my passing 3 Buick's in a row all within an hour.
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Re: Isnt the answer so simple? [cadillacmike] by m4d_cow
Jul 01, 2009 (11:35 am)
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Replying to: cadillacmike (Jul 01, 2009 9:39 am)

Nope, I'm prefectly aware of what I said.
 
You may have no problems with your CTS so far, but a lot of others somewhat disagree with you. No it's not that bad, and I agree that CTS is pretty reliable for a GM car, but Buick's LaCrosse has been far more reliable.
Plus, LaCrosse's fit-finish is better than that of the CTS' (or any Cadillac I've seen for that matter)
 
CTS is good, but an additional quality improvement can make it great. If you can add for one more step towards prefection, why not???? They should learn from the old management's mistakes.
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Re: LaX [tomcatt630] by nippononly
Jul 01, 2009 (11:51 am)
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Replying to: tomcatt630 (Jun 24, 2009 7:31 am)

The 2010 LaX was needed 2 years ago, instead of the Aura. but at least it's weeks away
 
Kind of interesting, isn't it, to imagine where GM could be today with Buick if they hadn't thrown away tons of resources rebuilding Saturn only to have no-one "rediscover" the brand?
 
Will the new GM continue these mistakes of the past? Some indications are that they will. Defend Buick fiercely if you will, but 4 brands is more than GM can properly handle, or sell given the market share it will ultimately have.
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Re: Buick sales may rebound [xrunner2] by nippononly
Jul 01, 2009 (12:02 pm)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jun 30, 2009 7:10 am)

If new Buick Lacross gets rave reviews from Edmunds, Car and Driver, Road and Track, Consumer Reports, etc., then that should boost showroom traffic
 
This notion is a fallacy in my area (west coast). Nothing will boost Buick showroom traffic. They will continue to sell a dozen cars a year to folks over 65 who started driving 50 years ago when Buick was an aspirational brand, and that's it. The Buick name is dead and forgotten here.
 
And there are WAY too many nice midsize sedans from brands people remember and respect for Lacrosse to stand out in anyone's mind, even if it is all that and a bag of chips.
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Re: Buick sales may rebound [nippononly] by circlew
Jul 01, 2009 (12:34 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jul 01, 2009 12:02 pm)

And there is the explanation for "Damaged".
 
Nothing will boost Buick showroom traffic. They will continue to sell a dozen cars a year to folks over 65 who started driving 50 years ago when Buick was an aspirational brand, and that's it. The Buick name is dead and forgotten here.

 
Last year's NYIAS proved none was looking at Buick...tumbleweeds blew past the Enclave, Lacrosse and Lucerne.
 
Should have gotten it over with during the C11. At the end of the day, Buick and GMC will go away....but it will cost more now, that's all.
 
Regards,
OW

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