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One disadvantage of station wagons... by andre1969
Jul 01, 2009 (9:50 am)
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is that they're not always good for hauling tall items, or items that have to be carried upright. For instance, I had to buy a new dryer a few months ago, and I doubt that it would have fit in any station wagon. Maybe something with a tall roof, like a Subaru Forrester, but probably not any traditional station wagon since maybe a 1957 Chevy/Pontiac.
 
Sort of a moot point though, because every place I went to when I was dryer shopping didn't have any in stock. They only took orders, and then you had to have it delivered.
 
Also, unless you go FWD, I don't think most station wagons have a 3rd row seat, once you get to anything smaller than a downsized Caprice/Crown Vic. Now the old pre-downsized intermediates had third row seats, but most of them were actually BIGGER than the downsized Ford/GM cars! Cars like the 1976 Volare, 1978 Fairmont, 1978 Malibu, and even the 2005 Magnum, none of 'em have a 3rd row seat. Something like a Taurus or Celebirty wagon would, though. And I guess some RWD cars with an independent rear suspension might have a 3rd row seat, since they can get the gas tank under the back seat, rather than behind the axle.
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Re: 4x8? [tomcatt630] by lemko
Jul 01, 2009 (10:46 am)
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Replying to: tomcatt630 (Jul 01, 2009 8:09 am)

Drywall still comes in 4 x 8 sheets.
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Re: Buick sales may rebound [fezo] by lemko
Jul 01, 2009 (10:50 am)
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Replying to: fezo (Jul 01, 2009 8:14 am)

Back in the day, the only people who had SUVs were sportsmen like hunters or anglers. The vehicles were hardly the plush soccer-mommy mobiles of today. They were like Chevrolet Blazers with vinyl seats and rubber floormats that dirt, mud, and other debris could easily be hosed-off and had removable fiberglass tops. They were pretty barren without power windows, power seats, and other such amenities that are now "necessary."
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Re: One disadvantage of station wagons... [andre1969] by lemko
Jul 01, 2009 (10:54 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jul 01, 2009 9:50 am)

For tall items, get yourself a 1964 Studebaker Wagonaire! I recall there was an SUV with a sliding rear roor, but it was short-lived. Probably because it leaked like the Wagonaire did. The original plan for the 1955-57 Chevrolet Nomad was to have a telescoping rear roof. The fluted roof portion is a vestige of that aborted idea.
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Re: One disadvantage of station wagons... [lemko] by andre1969
Jul 01, 2009 (11:00 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jul 01, 2009 10:54 am)

Yeah, there was a version of the GMC Envoy that had a sliding roof. I don't know if it leaked or not, but it just wasn't very popular.
 
As far as wagons go, I liked that 1984-ish Parisienne Safari we saw at Carlisle...but not at the $4995 price tag!
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Re: One disadvantage of station wagons... [lemko] by fezo
Jul 01, 2009 (11:09 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jul 01, 2009 10:54 am)

You beat me to it with the Studebaker! I remember those - not that there were many of them.
 
Of course for early SUV types there was this -
 

 
Jeep wagoneer
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Re: Buick sales may rebound [andre1969] by dieselone
Jul 01, 2009 (11:29 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jun 30, 2009 8:38 am)

The old/dowdy image wouldn't keep me from buying a Buick, if I still thought the car was good enough. But, I can understand the rationale that many people have for not buying them, and unfortunately the nameplate might have too much excess baggage associated with it at this point.
 
The other day I was towing our boat down to the lake where we keep it with the Expedition. It's about a 60 mile one way drive down lots of two lane country road. Not once, not twice, but three time I had to pass excessively slow drivers going between 40-50 on a rural, flat, and straight country road with a 55 mph speed limit. You'll never guess what the 3 cars where.... Well maybe, the first was a Park Ave, the second was a Lucerne, and the 3rd believe it or not was a Lacrosse. I was laughing to myself thinking about the debate on these forums regarding Buick's reputation, and also about what were the odds of my passing 3 Buick's in a row all within an hour.
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Re: Isnt the answer so simple? [cadillacmike] by m4d_cow
Jul 01, 2009 (11:35 am)
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Replying to: cadillacmike (Jul 01, 2009 9:39 am)

Nope, I'm prefectly aware of what I said.
 
You may have no problems with your CTS so far, but a lot of others somewhat disagree with you. No it's not that bad, and I agree that CTS is pretty reliable for a GM car, but Buick's LaCrosse has been far more reliable.
Plus, LaCrosse's fit-finish is better than that of the CTS' (or any Cadillac I've seen for that matter)
 
CTS is good, but an additional quality improvement can make it great. If you can add for one more step towards prefection, why not???? They should learn from the old management's mistakes.
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Re: LaX [tomcatt630] by nippononly
Jul 01, 2009 (11:51 am)
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Replying to: tomcatt630 (Jun 24, 2009 7:31 am)

The 2010 LaX was needed 2 years ago, instead of the Aura. but at least it's weeks away
 
Kind of interesting, isn't it, to imagine where GM could be today with Buick if they hadn't thrown away tons of resources rebuilding Saturn only to have no-one "rediscover" the brand?
 
Will the new GM continue these mistakes of the past? Some indications are that they will. Defend Buick fiercely if you will, but 4 brands is more than GM can properly handle, or sell given the market share it will ultimately have.

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