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Maybe should have called the top Lucerne trim the "PA" instead of CXL? My aunt is a loyal Buick buyer for 25 years and loves her '08 Lucerne, and doesn't care about the name changes. Only time she didnt get a Buick was before the Lucerne she had an '04 Grand Prix, since 'it had more pizz-azz' than same year Buicks. |
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Replying to: lemko (Jun 24, 2009 6:17 am) Why I drive 335i? Because I drive it, it is not an appliance like Corolla or Buick where I moves inside from point A to point B.
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Replying to: ingvar (Jun 24, 2009 8:37 am) I've never driven a 3-series BMW, but I have ridden in a few. For small cars, I actually find them to be pretty roomy up front, provided you put the seat all the way back. And IMO, they ride very well, considering they're tuned for handling and performance.
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Replying to: lemko (Jun 24, 2009 6:17 am) Never got less than 22 MPG, braking, handling, steering feel, balance, emergency maneuverability, fit/finish, customer service are all top class. It costs more than a Buick/GM for 1,000 real good reasons. The cars you mentioned are dinosaurs. The 3-series is pricey but there is not one car made by a U.S. manufacturer that comes close to the performance for the dollar in it's class. Period. The 1-series amplifies that fact. If you need the room, fine. Like I said, to each his own. You'd be surprised if you spend some time in a 3'er. Besides, there are many reasons we have bankrupt auto companies and BMW and Mercedes are holding their own and Hyundai is gaining market share. Could be these are the cars of the future for a lot of folks. Not including yourself, of course.  Regards, OW
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Seriously dude, if you consider a car like the Grand Marquis you should really take a look at one of these.  390hp V8 RWD sleeper. This car is like classic American muscle and looks seriously badass IMO. I would drive one of these before any Buick, Lincoln, DTS, STS or large car in general. I like smaller, more nimble cars myself so don't curse me too much for my suggestion  Edit: sorry, only 340hp... 
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Replying to: circlew (Jun 24, 2009 9:23 am) Well, I could mention the car everybody else does - the Cadillac CTS. The CTS-V exceeds what the 3-Series can do. However, neither the CTS or 3-Series is really the kind of car I'm seeking . I prefer and own a Cadillac DTS. |
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jun 24, 2009 8:48 am) The smart money used to be on the IS300 - which was *this* close to a base 3 series, but with a much nicer interior. The RX-8, which technically is a 4 door 2+2 sedan despite the weird suicide rear doors, also is a good budget sports sedan. I think BMW exists because all of the rich middle-aged people who fancied themselves to be pro drivers when they were young finally have a chance to get a decent car. It's sort-of-a-sports car. But that's fine, really. If you gave most 40-50 year old men a 911 Turbo or similar, they'd wrap it around a tree. For what it is, a BMW does a great job catering to this segment. OTOH, if you want to just get from point A to B... yes, the 3 series is a small and rather poor choice for the money. For those people, a Buick or Camry is just fine.
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Replying to: circlew (Jun 24, 2009 5:26 am) Overall, the D3 quality is increasing at a faster rate than it's competitors for the '08 to '09 model years. That is according to JD Powers. So they are growing the lead in some cases, and closing the gap in others. |
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Replying to: dave8697 (Jun 24, 2009 3:52 pm) I can absolutely confirm that. Enterprise, Avis, and Hertz said they were extremely underwhelmed by all other midsized models, particularly when they found out they could buy 2 G6s for the price of one. That does cover most G6 owners, right? 
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jun 24, 2009 4:27 pm) Pontiac, R.I.P. At one time, you were the best division of the middle class in the U.S.  Regards, OW |
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