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Replying to: circlew (Jun 19, 2009 3:42 pm) It's about time we got SOMEONE who isn't a fan of it running GM...
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 19, 2009 8:45 pm) I dunno...GM is usually less inept than Chrysler. However, Chrysler now has Fiat as you mentioned, while GM is still stuck with Daewoo (and no longer has Opel). Small car expertise seems to tilt in Fiat's direction: GM ended up with Daewoo because they couldn't build a reliable, fuel efficient pair of running shoes.  Should be interesting to see which one thrives...and I do think it'll only be one of the two. The other will either have to one again radically restructure or simply throw in the towel, since they ain't getting bailed out again. |
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jun 20, 2009 3:20 am) Someone needs to explain to poor ol' Fritz exactly what rebadging means. It means not selling four different versions of the Lambda platform (well, three now that Saturn has been sold off). It means not selling two versions of pickups and three versions of large and x-large SUV's. It doesn't mean taking one of the few cars that gets good press and refusing to sell the only version under a different brand name. Sheesh. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 19, 2009 8:45 pm) |
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The Vibe and Torrent are dropped after the 2009 model year. G6 goes to fleet only. I dont know whether there will be 2010s of the Solstice and G8. These are good cars and deserve to be sold for another year at least. There is also the G3 and G5 that nobody will notice if they are dropped.
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Replying to: torque_r (Jun 20, 2009 7:15 pm) G3? G5? Those still around? 
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jun 21, 2009 3:29 am) Well, isn't Saturn still going to have them for another couple of years? In this case GM would be rebadging them for the competition. They will soon be doing that for another make as they will be selling them in Saab garb to the news Saab folks and will call it the 9-4. |
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Well, isn't Saturn still going to have them for another couple of years? In this case GM would be rebadging them for the competition. They will soon be doing that for another make as they will be selling them in Saab garb to the news Saab folks and will call it the 9-4. Not sure that the "new GM" is doing enough to be successful. Let's see, what were their biggest problems and what have they done to fix them: 1 - Too many divisions: They get a C - they dump Saturn and Saab and Hummer and Pontiac, but Saturn lives on in the market under other ownership as may Saab. 2 - Too many models: They get a D - still a lot of rebadges. Why does GMC have the Traverse look alike? Why does Buick have the Acadia? Saturn lives on with another variant of those vehicles. What about the overlapping trucks at Chevy and GMC? 3 - UAW neck lock: They get a D - some concessions but union still in force. Just wait and see what happens if they ever get profitable again. 4 - Horrible management: They get a B+: Wagoner and most of board gone. What about the marketing department? 5 - High costs - They get a C: Mostly riding on taxpayer money, shutting down some models and plants, but not enough. UAW still powerful. 6 - Lack of competitive cars: They get a D: We all talk about CTS and Malibu but that's fewer good cars than Honda. Nothing coming soon enough and let's see how good the Cruze really is. I'm glad they are in BK and dumped the management, but I'm not happy that my massive tax $$ are bailing them out and for that kind of money, not enough is being done. My prediction: 66% chance of failure within 5 years. Hope I'm wrong.
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Replying to: tlong (Jun 21, 2009 3:09 pm)  Regards, OW |
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Replying to: carnaught (Jun 19, 2009 3:51 pm) 
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