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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Apr 26, 2009 5:52 am) Saab went in the toilet from the time GM took them over. They are just another failure of Wagoner's. And his buddy Klutz. Saab was at one time the finest FWD car on the planet. The Japanese should have taken notes if they did not. They probably did a lot of copying of Saab engineering.
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Replying to: steevo (Apr 26, 2009 7:05 am) Your post (unfortunately for the American auto manufacturers) is right on! I |
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Replying to: tlong (Apr 25, 2009 8:46 pm) Granted, and I liked the '69 Bus I drove for a year. But the Caravan put the engine up front so you got a flat floor all the way to the rear hatch. The Bus half hatch wasn't nearly as useful. One story I've heard is that it takes lots of time (months) to get just the floorpan engineered, and when Chrysler came out with the minivan, they had about a year's head start on everyone else. So not only did they own the market for a while, GM (and the rest) had to play catch-up and rushed their vans to market without all the design input they would ordinarily get to do. So you wound up with Dustbusters.
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Replying to: steevo (Apr 26, 2009 5:47 am) You know, that sounds a lot like the GM status quo. |
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Replying to: circlew (Apr 25, 2009 11:06 am) |
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 26, 2009 7:16 am)
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Replying to: colloquor (Apr 26, 2009 6:17 pm) Yup, its the transmissions that don't last, manuals and automatics. Electrics were occasionally troublesome, and that's a bit surprising as they were generally Bosch. The issue is the same as that of pre-Ford Volvo, where the small companies don't have the purchasing power to create their own specs. They have to buy/use off the shelf components and cost bid. The Eurpoean makes, because of this and other things, also had changes mid-model year, or randomly throughout the model year. This makes it very hard to troubleshoot and diagnose issues if VIN 003 had 3v on a given line and 018 had 5v on a given line,etc. |
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Replying to: circlew (Apr 24, 2009 1:08 pm) In that case, I don't want it anymore. It might as well be a Toyota for all I care. |
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