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Replying to: steve_ (Apr 24, 2009 11:54 am) What makes it even more interesting is that I just got an ad email from Pontiac about their wonderful total assurance whatsit deal, and 0% APR for forever or something like that. Almost as if they're trying to get the last bit of real money they can before they have to discount them 75% because Pontiac doesn't exist anymore.
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Well they were either trying to save money or got lazy. G8....we cant spell out Grand Prix anymore? I think they were a victim of the its a (fill in the brand name here) so it has to look like every other car with that badge on it. Not just a GM thing.....seems like everyone does it. So whos next? GMC? They are doing one thing right, new commercials stating that Chevys get better mileage than the competition, but with GM's problems, I think it will take alot of time to win back buyers. I want my 2 billion back.
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Replying to: steve_ (Apr 24, 2009 11:54 am) performance packaging deficiencies? What is that? Does that mean that a larger more powerful engine doesn't fit under the hood? |
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| My 4x4 stickered for a bit over $30k. I drove it off the lot for a bit over $24k OTD. I haven't really put it to any real test. It looks, smells, and runs like a new truck. I think trade-in is about $8500 and DR about $12500. It's an '01 with 26k miles. An '02 tacoma with 240k miles fetching $10k? There's one born every minute. I Just saw an '08 Lucerne with 55k miles for $12,900. | |
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If you have the stomach to own another orphaned American brand, that is... I could almost cry that the storied Pontiac nameplate is going away. Neglecting your product and brand will do that for you. It's been years, but Bonneville, Firebird, TransAm, Grand Prix, GTO, LeMans, etc. all were strong nameplates within a strong brand. Every one of these nameplates was neutered beyond belief (Korean built LeMans subcompact, anyone?). Frankly, I think the Pontiac nameplate has more equity in it than Buick does in todays market. Does the average consumer know what an Enclave or LaCrosse even is? Not to mention they are utterly bland and forgettable cars. In hindsight, pumping billions into creating Saturn and Hummer as well as buying Saab rather than building strong product for Pontiac, Chevy, Buick and perhaps even Oldsmobile must seem like the stupidest plan ever and was a fatal mistake. Regardless, looks like GM will get one more bite at the apple, so at this point Chevy, Caddy and Buick are all that should live. Buick needs to be a scaled down brand, mid-market LaCrosse, full-size Lucerne and perhaps a specialty coupe or convertible (Riviera?) are all they need. No crossover, compact or luxo model (43k for a Lucerne, you'd have to be insane). Focus on execution, interior quality and narrow down the drivetrain choices to the Ecotec 4 in turbo and non-turbo versions, the 3.6: DI V6 and 2 sizes of the latest generation small-block pushrod V8 in 5.0 and 6.0L versions, all coupled to a six-speed automatic would be sufficent to start. As suggested above, GMC Truck model brands could become the top of the Chevy truck line I'm saddened by the departure of Pontiac, but hopeful that this last gasp provides GM the impetus to get it's house in order... finally.
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Now theres very little difference between a Chevy and GMC............plus with the trucks under one name, Chevy and Ford can fight it out. And the annoying GM badge on every vehicle.......thats just stupid. |
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Replying to: sgtdevlinusmc (Apr 24, 2009 6:12 pm)
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Buick is a dying brand in the USA. Why not combine Cadillac and Buick into a single division called Cadillac in the USA and Buick in China? The few remaining USA Buick buyers would be happy to get a bargain Cadillac. Why get rid of "sporty" Pontiac when it is likely to rebound with the economy? If they want to shed yet another division, get rid of GMC whose profitability depends on mass-market gas-guzzling SUVs and pickup trucks that have no place in our brave new world (particularly if CAFE standards are logically applied to "passenger" trucks).
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Replying to: sgtdevlinusmc (Apr 24, 2009 6:12 pm) My prior vehicle was an '04 Chevy Malibu LT V-6 that I traded for the Buick when the Chevy had 35,000 miles on it and it never had any warranty/relability issues either. Sorry you got a lemon but based on reliability rating and my experiences, you are the exception and not the rule. |
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Apr 24, 2009 11:49 am) |
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