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Re: I bought one car new in all of the 90's [dave8697] by steve_ HOST
Feb 19, 2009 (9:04 pm)
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Replying to: dave8697 (Feb 19, 2009 9:01 pm)

I think you'd enjoy the Go Green By Driving It 'Til The Wheels Fall Off discussion. Even if you aren't "green" it's a fun place to brag about driving them forever.
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Re: I bought one car new in all of the 90's [dave8697] by gagrice
Feb 19, 2009 (9:16 pm)
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My favorite from 90's is a '96 Riv which has the most comfortable seats
 
That is what turned me off on the 2007 Cadillac Escalade. ROCK HARD SEATS. The previous models have great seats. I guess they ran out of foam and just use cardboard for their seats. That is also my complaint on the new BMW X5.
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GM unit Saab files for creditor protection by bpizzuti
Feb 20, 2009 (5:35 am)
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Looks like parts of GM are already going to Ch11 equivalents...this sounds a lot like Ch11 to me.
 
http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idAFLK48614820090220?rpc=44&sp=true
 
STOCKHOLM, Feb 20 (Reuters) - General Motors' loss-making carmaker Saab Automobile on Friday sought legal protection from creditors to allow it to restructure and seek new funding for continued production.
 
Faced with mountainous debts, parent GM is itself restructuring, and in a plan submitted to the U.S. Treasury this week it said Saab would become an independent business as of Jan. 1, 2010..
 
Saab made a loss of about 3 billion Swedish crowns ($340.1 million) in 2008, according to documents filed by the company with a Swedish court. It expects a similar loss this year, blaming falling demand, ageing products, excess capacity and high costs.
 
"We explored and will continue to explore all available options for funding and/or selling Saab, and it was determined a formal reorganisation would be the best way to create a truly independent entity that is ready for investment," Saab Managing Director Jan-Ake Jonsson said in a statement.
 
Saab said its reorganisation plans included concentrating production and that it would seek funding from public and private sources during the reorganisation process.
 
In its court filing, Saab said GM has said it "would not fund further the projected losses of the company (Saab)", but would provide liquidity for the company to pursue a reorganisation.
 
It was not immediately clear whether GM would cover this year's projected loss.
 
Saab will hold a press conference on Friday at 1330 GMT. The court will now assess whether Saab's turnaround plan is viable.
 
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Swedish daily Dagens Industri said on Friday that Saab parent GM is prepared to pump in $400 million to help make its Saab car unit profitable if the Swedish state guarantees a further loan of $590 million to Saab.
 
The aim is for annual sales of 120,000-130,000 vehicles and profitability in 2011 or 2012, the newspaper said, quoting unnamed sources. The firm sold just over 93,000 cars in 2008.
 
Many analysts believe Saab would need much more money pumped into it to turn it around and question whether the brand has a realistic future.
 
Sweden said late last year it would provide its vehicle industry with up to 25 billion crowns in aid to help it through the current global crisis.
 
The government said this week its talks with GM over state aid for Saab lacked a realistic basis, but a senior Swedish official told Reuters on Friday the state had not closed the door to providing loan guarantees to the carmaker.
 
"That will depend on what the plans look like," said Joran Hagglund, state secretary at the Swedish Industry Ministry.
 
"If you provide loan guarantees to someone, you must be sure the company has a future."
 
Saab and Volvo have helped shape Sweden's image abroad with a focus on safety, family motoring and high engineering standards.
 
However, the current economic crisis has plunged the auto industry worldwide into crisis, adding to problems for carmakers in countries with high production costs like Sweden.
 
Volvo Cars has been put up for sale by owner Ford Motor Co. .
 
Saab and Volvo employ more than 20,000 people in Sweden with thousands more jobs at suppliers tied to the two companies. ($1=8.820 Swedish Crown) (Editing by Will Waterman and Simon Jessop)
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Re: Uncle Sam & the Motor City [cooterbfd] by andre1969
Feb 20, 2009 (5:46 am)
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What a pantload THAT is!!! More than likely the V-6 in the Intrepid is a Mitsu engine. The same Mitsubishi that was in a load of trouble and Chrysler refused to bail out anymore.
 
Nah, Intrepids have always used home-grown Mopar engines. The 1993-97 models had a 3.3 pushrod or a 3.5 OHC. The 3.3 was a good, durable engine, but the early 3.5's could be troublesome. The 3.5 also wasn't a ground-up OHC engine, but rather based on the 3.3/3.8 pushrod. GM did a similar thing with that 3.4 DOHC V-6 they had, which was based on the old 2.8/3.1/3.4 pushrod. I think the GM OHC was a better performer, but Chrysler got the kinks worked out of their 3.5 more quickly.
 
The 1998-04 models used either a 2.7, which mine has, a 3.2, or a 3.5. The 2.7 is DOHC, supposedly prone to sludging, and VERY expensive to fix when it breaks. But I've gotten about 144,000 miles out of mine, so I'm not complaining. The 3.2 was a smaller-displacement, all-aluminum version of the 3.5. The 3.5 itself went on hiatus for 1998, but returned, in all-aluminum form, for 1999 in the 300M and then for 2000 in the Intrepid R/T. For 2002-04, a detuned version replaced the 3.2. FWIW, the 3.2/3.5 of this generation were considered good engines. The biggest achilles heel of the Intrepid was the transmission. But again, at 144,000 miles, I've never had any problems with mine.
 
As for the Mitsubishi 3.0, the 80's and early 90's version was pretty bad, but in later years, I believe it was actually a pretty good engine.
 
And as for why my Gran Fury tended to eat those Honda-spec starters? Well, I do imagine that a copcar 318 is going to put a lot more stress on a starter than a little Honda 2.2 4-cyl, or whatever the Accord's displacement was around 1989. So it's really not Honda's fault. If anything, that really falls on Mopar, for putting in an under-sized part! My mechanic also told me that Mopar did something to the V-8 in those later years, as well, so you couldn't just swap in the older-style, larger starters. But, FWIW, my '68 Dart and '79 Newport, both 318's, ended up eating a starter as well!
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Re: Uncle Sam & the Motor City [jae5] by lemko
Feb 20, 2009 (8:13 am)
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Well, all of them have been subjected to the harsh urban driving environment of Philadelphia and all have held up admirably. I've driven all of them in NE Pennsylvania's nasty winter conditions that makes Philadelphia winters seem tropical in comparison. No problems. I've driven some of the for extreme long distances: NE Pennsylvania to Meridian, Mississippi and back, Philly to Canada and back. Philly to Tampa, Florida and back, etc. No problems. I constantly use my '88 Park Ave for the treks from Philly to and from the Harrisburg area for the Carlisle show season. With such great luck with GM cars, why should I risk the unknown?
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Re: Uncle Sam & the Motor City [andre1969] by lemko
Feb 20, 2009 (8:15 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Feb 19, 2009 3:59 pm)

As another aside, the Intrepid's air conditioning isn't working. And guess what? The Intrepid uses the same a/c components that the Honda Accord does!
 
Nippon-Denso?
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Re: Uncle Sam & the Motor City [andre1969] by dave8697
Feb 20, 2009 (8:46 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Feb 20, 2009 5:46 am)

My dad's '96 LHS 3.5L engine said Mitsubishi right on it.
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Re: Uncle Sam & the Motor City [lemko] by xrunner2
Feb 20, 2009 (10:22 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Feb 20, 2009 8:13 am)

In years past, I had driven from Chicago to Milwaukee in a couple different GMs and made in back without incident many times, sometimes in winter conditions.
 
Taking more of a risk with buying GM today with re to parts and service availability, resale value. There is nothing unknown about Lexus, Toyota, Honda, Acura, Infiniti, Nissan, BMW, Mercedes. Lots of info on these cars in Edmunds, car magazines, CR. Annual April car issue of CR will be out soon. Will be interesting to see latest ratings, trends on GM quality, reliability. Are they gaining on or falling behind leaders Honda and Toyota?
 
An "unknown" quantity might be buying a Chinese Buick if/when it is first imported into U.S. Some Saturn dealers said recently that they might consider selling Chinese and Indian cars. Perhaps they will sell the Chinese Buick, Chinese Chery, etc. Rocky could maybe get an Edmunds poster a good deal on Chinese Buick.
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Re: Uncle Sam & the Motor City [xrunner2] by lemko
Feb 20, 2009 (10:37 am)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Feb 20, 2009 10:22 am)

There is nothing unknown about Lexus, Toyota, Honda, Acura, Infiniti, Nissan, BMW, Mercedes.
 
They're unknown to me. I could follow CR's advice, purchase one of these imports, and get burned. My experience tells me to stick with GM.
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Re: Uncle Sam & the Motor City [lemko] by jae5
Feb 20, 2009 (10:42 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Feb 20, 2009 8:13 am)

Glad you've made out so well. My only question / thought was that with four / five vehicles at your disposal at the same time, were they regularly rotated? Like drive one for a week, then another for a week, so on and so on? Even then you're only driving a certain vehicle every five weeks. Or did you rotate daily? Or did you take one, drive it for winter only since it was a beater, then have a couple of summertime cars, while the others were seeing duty with relatives? Basically getting at is that you were able to spread the "harshness", I guess you can say, over multiple vehicles at the same time whereas most of us may have only had one vehicle to put the harshness on. A car driven occasionally is more likely to hold up better than one driven / beaten on everyday, with open-road miles being less stressful than everyday stop-n-go.
 
Haven't actually made it to PA "officially" (just in/out to pick up the '86 Cutlass about 2-1/2 years ago) but heard of the conditions (past couple years you guys were getting all of our snow).
 
With such great luck with GM cars, why should I risk the unknown?
 
Understood, if you've had that much luck with GM, why change.

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