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Re: NAV system by imidazol97
Jan 29, 2009 (5:39 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 29, 2009 5:13 am)

Does anyone have talk about cost to update the maps in their built-in NAV?
 
There's a forum here NAV GPS . IIRC the portable units are better to upgrade and keep up-to-date at lower expense. I'm sure for $250 I can find a wonderful NAV unit that I can replace in two years with all the new features that are sure to be added to the electronics by then.
 
Neighbor has NAV in his Honda RLs. But it's hard to get lost commuting between here and Cincinnati for each of them.
 
I'm don't think it's a feature to bash a car for not including in the lineup. Maybe someone has data on the number of sales after the gloss wore off when they were new and can compare that to the cost of engineering it in and keeping updates available. There may be a small number of people who ardently want it, but the general population may have a reality check on NAV.
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Re: GM Spending at Daytona [imidazol97] by lemko
Jan 29, 2009 (6:01 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jan 28, 2009 3:29 pm)

I just got a new Nav disc in the mail from GM for my Cadillac DTS. I still haven't bothered installing it. I probably wouldn't miss it if it wasn't there.
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Re: GM Spending at Daytona [xrunner2] by lemko
Jan 29, 2009 (6:04 am)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jan 28, 2009 3:41 pm)

Did you ever try to get at the back plugs on ANY transverse-mounted V-6? It's pretty tough. Besides, in these days of 100K plugs, one shouldn't worry too much about it.
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Re: GM Spending at Daytona [210delray] by lemko
Jan 29, 2009 (6:06 am)
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Replying to: 210delray (Jan 28, 2009 6:22 pm)

I heard that one had to remove the brake master cylinder on a Boss 429 Mustang to get at some of the plugs.
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Re: NAV system [imidazol97] by bpizzuti
Jan 29, 2009 (7:21 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jan 29, 2009 5:39 am)

I'm don't think it's a feature to bash a car for not including in the lineup.
 
If a car is supposed to compete in a certain class, and most of the other members of that class include it as an option, then said car is going to be panned for not including it as an option, period.
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Re: GM Spending at Daytona [lemko] by xrunner2
Jan 29, 2009 (7:27 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 29, 2009 6:04 am)

Back when either Corsica or Monza, whatever, needed spark plug changes, the interval was probably 10,000 miles not 100k miles.
 
Here is some more "brilliant" GM engineering. Had a 71 Firebird Formula 400 (also had a 71 Trans Am) with air condtioning and center console. Heater core failed in Jan and decided to fix by myself. Had shop manual and it said that front fender and hood had to be taken off to get at core which had hoses to radiator on firewall "BENEATH" the air cond plenum. In 0-10 degrees garage, pulled off hood, fender. Then, to get at core under dash had to remove air cond ducts. But wait, to get ducts out, had to remove center console. Think I also had to unloosen passenger front seat. Now that is GM engineering for "maintainence". Guess GM engineers didn't know any better or they were trying to provide extra revenue for GM Pontiac dealer mechanics.
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GM 4Q Report? by kernick
Jan 29, 2009 (8:21 am)
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When does it come out? With Ford having lost nearly $6B last quarter, and GM sales dropping similar percentage, what do you think GM lost?
 
Whatever you guess for that 3-month loss which is continuing into this year, exactly how long is GM's and GMAC's $ going to last? What are they doing to cut costs EQUAL to their losses, before they run out of that $?
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Re: NAV system [bpizzuti] by andre1969
Jan 29, 2009 (8:24 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 29, 2009 7:21 am)

Something just clicked in my mind...I guess if the Malibu doesn't offer Nav, then neither do the Pontiac G6 or Saturn Aura? Considering the Aura is supposed to be upscale from the Malibu (G6 too, theoretically, but I imagine most of those are dumped into rental fleets), lack of a Nav has got to hurt.
 
Now that I think of it, do the LaCrosse and Impala offer Nav?
 
Personally, I don't have a desire for Nav myself, but if that's something that enough buyers in a given market want, then GM better make sure they offer it.
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Re: NAV system [andre1969] by bpizzuti
Jan 29, 2009 (8:30 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jan 29, 2009 8:24 am)

You're right. Know what else stings? You CAN actually get navigation in one Pontiac...the Vibe.
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Re: GM job banks [62vetteefp] by plekto
Jan 29, 2009 (9:13 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 29, 2009 5:03 am)

Wow. With the unions strangling the life out of GM with nonsense like this, it's no wonder they're dying. It really was like listening to an infomercial...
 
"But wait, there's more!" More and more crap that the unions managed to muscle out of GM. If I was GM, I'd gladly declare bankruptcy and get rid of the UAW forever.

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