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Re: I got lucky 100% of the time too [andre1969] by 62vetteefp
Jan 15, 2009 (3:46 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jan 15, 2009 3:00 pm)

The W cars were all new relative to the GM 10 (pre 95). But you got everything right.
 
The first ones on the scene were the 1988 Grand Prix/Regal/Cutlass Supreme coupes. For 1990, half-baked sedan models joined their ranks, and the Chevy Lumina was added, in coupe and sedan form. I thought the Lumina coupe was rather attractive.
  
In 1995, the Lumina was heavily restyled. This was when they started calling the coupe "Monte Carlo". I think this was also when they started calling the car the W-body. For 1997, the Regal and Grand Prix were restyled, and adopted the W-body designation. The Century, which had been on the old Celebrity A-body, moved over to the W- as well. For 1998 the Olds Intrigue came out, but I think they still held onto the old Cutlass Supreme coupe/sedan through 1998 as well.
  
Then for 2000, the Impala came out, with the Monte Carlo running mate. New Grand Prix for 2004. I forget now when the LaCrosse came out...2005? Another Impala restyle for 2006. Nothing to replace the Intrigue, as Olds went away.
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money/loan stuff by 62vetteefp
Jan 15, 2009 (4:00 pm)
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In discussing progress on its restructuring plan, GM predicted its worst-case sales scenario will come true in 2009.
 
The largest U.S. auto maker by revenue cut its guidance for North American light vehicle sales to 10.5 million, the bottom end of the range GM planned for when it laid out its viability plan. GM forecast that global auto sales will fall by 15% in 2009, reducing planning assumptions across all of its key regions.
 
"We need to make sure we lower our risk, lower our breakeven levels," GM Chief Operating Officer Fritz Henderson said, speaking Tuesday at a Deutsche Bank conference in Detroit, when asked if GM would seek more funding. "We're refining our restructuring plan and doing it on a global basis to make sure that we will be robust and make GM profitable on a global basis."
 
Despite the increasingly dire outlook, GM Chief Executive Officer Rick Wagoner said he has no plans to ask for more government aid in the near term, though he didn't rule out the possibility in the future.
 
"We didn't get the idea they were that excited about expanding total pie," Wagoner said.
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Re: [andre1969] by iwant12
Jan 15, 2009 (4:23 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jan 15, 2009 2:49 pm)

I've owned a few Pontiacs. We had a few when I was growing up, then my first car was a 73 Firebird we called the Brown Cow. Had a Luxury LeMans, a Grand Lemans, and a Grand Am with a wicked fast 400 cubic inch. Never had any problems with any of them. Then, in 98, I bought a brand new Trans Am. It looked like a black, die-cast model. Made my heart race just looking at it. I can't begin to tell you what an utter disappointment that car was. Always in the shop. All started the very night I drove it home, parked my new beast in the garage, turned off the lights, and the driver's side headlight stayed in the up position. This was the very tip of the iceberg with this car. Like I said: always in the shop for something. The major item, at 15K miles, was the rear brakes, bearings going out. An engineer from Detroit looked at it, and another T/A with the same problem, and concluded it was from a badly casted differential housing. I got rid of it shortly after and bought an EB Explorer. Every three months with that vehicle I received a recall in the mail for something or another, usually piddly stuff. But that's a story for another time. Ciao.
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Re: Hybrids [cooterbfd] by bpizzuti
Jan 15, 2009 (5:27 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jan 15, 2009 2:36 pm)

Because of the Lithium Ion battery, which is a new technology.
 
Not even close...Lithium Ion batteries have been around for years...they were invented in the 70s, and have been used in laptop computers since the 90s. The problem is that Li-Ion batteries only last a couple of years, and they've spent a lot of time trying to get around that.
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Re:dealer issue [cooterbfd] by circlew
Jan 15, 2009 (5:38 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jan 15, 2009 2:40 pm)

NONE...that's a stretch goal.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: [andre1969] by circlew
Jan 15, 2009 (5:39 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jan 15, 2009 2:49 pm)

It's the FWD 1988 FWB small Caddy.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Hybrids [cooterbfd] by tlong
Jan 15, 2009 (5:44 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jan 15, 2009 2:36 pm)

Cooter, some good points. GM has spread their development dollars across 3 kinds of new powerplants (mild hybrid, two-mode, and Volt) and that's a lot of money for a company that can't really afford it. The first two are not making them any money and the third is a gargantuan gamble. Toyota and Honda both built relatively effective and low-cost hybrids that at least give a chance to get your money back. If gas goes up over $4 then they are good. They are high volume vehicles. It just doesn't seem like GM's 3 expensive powerplants are getting/going to get them many sales or profits.
 
I agree that it was better for GM to wait to get the Volt batteries right, but they were advertising it WAY too far in advance. Looks sort of like desperation. They're playing most of their pot of money on one hand which is a very risky game.
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Re: [circlew] by andre1969
Jan 15, 2009 (5:59 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Jan 15, 2009 5:39 pm)

It's the FWD 1988 FWB small Caddy.
 
Ahh, yes, that one. Well from the problems you described, it sounds like your family got one of the better ones! The one Lemko has is the old-school Brougham, and they were pretty durable cars
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Re: Hybrids [bpizzuti] by gagrice
Jan 15, 2009 (6:01 pm)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 15, 2009 5:27 pm)

The problem is that Li-Ion batteries only last a couple of years, and they've spent a lot of time trying to get around that.
 
Those unproven long term batteries could be the end of GM if they put all their eggs in the VOLT basket. They have to warranty for 10 years to get the EPA and CARB rating they want. I would imagine for some one that puts a lot of miles per year, they will be OK. If someone is a low mileage driver 10 years is a long time for ANY battery to last.
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Re: Hybrids [gagrice] by 210delray
Jan 15, 2009 (6:20 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 15, 2009 6:01 pm)

If someone is a low mileage driver 10 years is a long time for ANY battery to last.
 
I had a Sears DieHard battery that lasted just 2 months shy of 10 years from 1985-95. This was in our former 1980 Volvo 240 that was our primary family vehicle for the first 5 of those 10 years, and then my daily commuter car afterward.

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