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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 14, 2009 6:43 am)
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Replying to: 210delray (Jan 14, 2009 6:32 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jan 14, 2009 5:01 pm) Don't know where you drew that conclusion as I did not say that. Who knows what will happen to the large vehicles? If gas hits $4 then everybody will cut production and models of big vehicles. What is so intricate about an alternator charging a battery??? We've been doing that for 90 years. Based upon that logic why has it taken GM four years from first advertising the Volt to produce it? We've been doing it for 90 years. Toyota and Honda have had hybrids on the market for nearly ten years. GM is very late, as usual. You missed or ignored the original point. Toyota brought ONE system to market, which was usable and beneficial. It at least breaks even in a few years of use. GM has the "mild hybrid" system which is barely useful at all but gives them the right to use the term "hybrid". GM also has the two-mode hybrid which is much more complex than say, Honda's. It adds $10K to each vehicle and we haven't seen it in cars yet. GM is also trying to set the world on fire with the Volt which is looking more and more like a $1B failure. Since GM is burning money and in the ICU unit, where was their strategy that made it smart to split their new powertrain approaches across THREE different technologies, none of them as good as Toyota's or Honda's. Great way to waste resources when you are dying.
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Replying to: tlong (Jan 14, 2009 10:47 pm) I agree. GM burned so much money on the wrong hybrid products. And despite having a lot of hybrid models right now. NONE of them can achieve more than 35 mpg in city driving. |
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Sometimes I wonder why is it everytime we post anything bad about GM we're always accused of dishing GM? Whether you like it or not, the Cadillac story is true. Of course, fairly speaking my neighbor may be anti GM afterall. I mean, so far he's only bought 13 GM cars for the past 35 years. He must really hate his Eldorado that he only give it a new coat of wax every month and keep it in his garage (allowing not even his son to drive it) with only a cheapo Supremeweave custom car cover. Sure sounds like a true Gm hater doesn't he?  Fairly speaking, I received king-like treatment when I visited the same dealership looking at the Escalade and STS. I wonder if they're being nice just because they expected me to buy. You're entitled to your own opinion. Me? I chose to believe someone who lives only 3 houses apart from me and his treasured Cadillacs and personal experience. Prove it? Honestly I can't. Sometimes reality goes beyond written proves and numbers. Nothing beats real life, trust the "experts" and "numbers" forever and you'll always be blinded.
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Jan 15, 2009 1:59 am) Regards, OW
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 14, 2009 6:47 pm) There are no "divisions" to argue over this. GM warranty/service is done by a separate group. I have no idea why a dealer would not do the work. They all get paid by the same software and the same amount and I would think any dealer would want all the work they could get right now. Now on Divisions. What are they responsible for? There are 4 main channels Premium, BPG, Saturn and Chevrolet. Under each General Manager is an Advertising, a Marketing and a Sales Manager.
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Total U.S. sales plunged from 16.1 million units in 2007 to 13.2 million for 2008. Equally interesting -- and troubling, for Detroit -- was that not only did the pie get painfully smaller, the domestic automakers' portion, market share, once again lost ground. According to data from Edmunds.com, the Detroit Three lost a collective total of 3.7 points of market share in 2008. Chrysler led the group, ceding 1.9 points of share (from 12.9 percent of the market in 2007 to 11 percent in 2008). GM lost 1.4 percent (from 23.8 percent in 2007 to 22.4 percent). Ford gave back 0.4 points of share (from 15.5 percent to 15.1 percent for 2008). Regards, OW
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Replying to: circlew (Jan 15, 2009 4:25 am) In looking at year end sales the entire market was down 18%. GM cars were down 15% and GM trucks were down 27%. So a little brightness with car sales up relative to market but overall down due to trucks. For December overall sales were down 36%. GM car sales dropped 25% and trucks 35% so a little market share gained back in December. |
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 15, 2009 4:04 am) Several possibilities...they don't want to do the work. They're afraid corporate won't compensate them properly (in which case you have CORPORATE saying one thing to one party and another to another). Or they just MIGHT be trying to get the customer to pay AND collect from GM for warranty work.
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