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Replying to: tlong (Jan 13, 2009 11:12 pm) So, by this logic, sometime soon after gas is $4 the Tundra and Sequoia will be axed???? ".....GM has the Volt coming but looks to have some major usability issues IMHO - cost, 40 miles on a charge only then you are running on gas through an intricate charging system" What is so intricate about an alternator charging a battery??? We've been doing that for 90 years.
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Replying to: circlew (Jan 14, 2009 7:17 am) Then call the BBB and go to another dealer. That's what I did w/ by Buick, and guess what; satisfaction the 2nd time around. |
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 14, 2009 9:53 am) I realize you are jesting or should be. The truth is the imports keep building factories and hiring people off the street and they are building superior cars to GM on a regular basis. We are not talking rocket science. If someone cannot be trained in 2 weeks to do most any job in a factory he or she should be let go and find someone that can. The UAW may have the Big 3 convinced they are good workers. The proof is not in the final product. At least not in my most recent GM purchase. In fact my good trucks came from Mexico and Canada. |
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jan 14, 2009 4:36 pm) Now, THAT will do the US taxbase a world of good. Unemployment is being paid to the out of work employees currently. If they take a job at half the cost per hour it saves GM a ton of money. The Jobs bank is history so we just replace the current employees on unemployment with the GM employees that feel they do not need to cut their wages to save their company. It is pretty much a wash on the tax payer. This will all have to happen under bankruptcy as the UAW has already said they would not open their contract for negotiation. I am sure many UAW workers would want to stay on the job even at half the pay and benefits. Beats unemployment for 6 months then nothing. |
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 14, 2009 6:43 am)
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Replying to: 210delray (Jan 14, 2009 6:32 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jan 14, 2009 5:01 pm) Don't know where you drew that conclusion as I did not say that. Who knows what will happen to the large vehicles? If gas hits $4 then everybody will cut production and models of big vehicles. What is so intricate about an alternator charging a battery??? We've been doing that for 90 years. Based upon that logic why has it taken GM four years from first advertising the Volt to produce it? We've been doing it for 90 years. Toyota and Honda have had hybrids on the market for nearly ten years. GM is very late, as usual. You missed or ignored the original point. Toyota brought ONE system to market, which was usable and beneficial. It at least breaks even in a few years of use. GM has the "mild hybrid" system which is barely useful at all but gives them the right to use the term "hybrid". GM also has the two-mode hybrid which is much more complex than say, Honda's. It adds $10K to each vehicle and we haven't seen it in cars yet. GM is also trying to set the world on fire with the Volt which is looking more and more like a $1B failure. Since GM is burning money and in the ICU unit, where was their strategy that made it smart to split their new powertrain approaches across THREE different technologies, none of them as good as Toyota's or Honda's. Great way to waste resources when you are dying.
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Replying to: tlong (Jan 14, 2009 10:47 pm) I agree. GM burned so much money on the wrong hybrid products. And despite having a lot of hybrid models right now. NONE of them can achieve more than 35 mpg in city driving. |
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Sometimes I wonder why is it everytime we post anything bad about GM we're always accused of dishing GM? Whether you like it or not, the Cadillac story is true. Of course, fairly speaking my neighbor may be anti GM afterall. I mean, so far he's only bought 13 GM cars for the past 35 years. He must really hate his Eldorado that he only give it a new coat of wax every month and keep it in his garage (allowing not even his son to drive it) with only a cheapo Supremeweave custom car cover. Sure sounds like a true Gm hater doesn't he?  Fairly speaking, I received king-like treatment when I visited the same dealership looking at the Escalade and STS. I wonder if they're being nice just because they expected me to buy. You're entitled to your own opinion. Me? I chose to believe someone who lives only 3 houses apart from me and his treasured Cadillacs and personal experience. Prove it? Honestly I can't. Sometimes reality goes beyond written proves and numbers. Nothing beats real life, trust the "experts" and "numbers" forever and you'll always be blinded.
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