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Re: List of crappy? [dieselone] by bpizzuti
Jan 14, 2009 (6:46 am)
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Replying to: dieselone (Jan 14, 2009 6:29 am)

Ok, you expect a Saturn dealership to have mechanics which have been trained and have the tools to work on a Corvette or CTS-V? Not going to happen. I seriously doubt a Toyota dealer would be able to service an LS-460 either.
 
If corporate says the one dealer should be able to service they other makes, then they should. If they can't, then the right and left hands should gets their respective acts together and get on the same page.
 
Likewise, if GM is not going to require that those dealers be able to service any GM model, then THEY needs to spell that out, instead of saying any GM dealer should be able to fix it in an emergency.
 
Toyota and Lexus don't have this problem...primarily because toyotas go to toyota dealers, instead of Chevy's going to Pontiac or Saturn dealers (or trying to). Yet another pitfall of having TOO MANY BRANDS!! ARE YOU BLEEPING LISTENING TO ME GM???
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Re:dealer issue [62vetteefp] by gagrice
Jan 14, 2009 (7:11 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 14, 2009 6:43 am)

Yes I read the post before. I just don't know. It would seem that dealers would try to work together if possible. My overall experience with service people is good. I have to agree with others that taking a Cadillac to a non Cadillac dealer would present problems with specific vehicle training. His big mistake was paying to have it fixed at the GMC dealer. If you can afford a Cadillac Escalade you can afford to leave it at the dealer and rent or fly home and tell Cadillac there lemon is in Idaho. Once you give your money to a dealer case is closed you are out of luck. I have a hard time feeling too sorry for the guy. Though if it happened to me I would not buy another vehicle from that company.
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Re: List of crappy? [62vetteefp] by circlew
Jan 14, 2009 (7:12 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 14, 2009 4:55 am)

What they SAY and what they DO are separate issues here. Simple as that.
 
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OW
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Re: List of crappy? [dieselone] by circlew
Jan 14, 2009 (7:13 am)
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Replying to: dieselone (Jan 14, 2009 6:29 am)

In this case the dealer repaired the truck. Obviously, it wasn't that technical of an issue.
 
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Re:dealer issue [62vetteefp] by circlew
Jan 14, 2009 (7:17 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 14, 2009 6:43 am)

You find this hard to believe? Wow.
 
You need to get out more. You need a lawyer and a financial adviser when you go for service at my GMC dealer!
 
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OW
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Re: List of crappy? [circlew] by dave8697
Jan 14, 2009 (9:31 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Jan 14, 2009 4:22 am)

maintaining market share requires growing sales due to population increases.
what if all airlines that are losing money were liquidated through bankruptcy. That would leave a few carriers. how would we all like it if then there were a 1 in 10 chance we could fly to a desired destination? Would anybody support a bailout of the airlines or would I-75 and I-95 become parking lots? What would happen to the D3 when rental fleets at airports were just sitting? Since they are such bad cars would it not matter?
 
I think hybrids are not the final solution and GM is smart enough to know that as well. To make money selling them, $4k has to be added to the car price. The interest on the extra $4k is $280 a year. The ins. is probably another $200 a year, the $4k spread over 60 months is another $66 a month, and in my state there is $280 more sales tax in year one and an excise tax of about $50 a year for many years on the extra $4k. Bottom line is they don't pan out unless you drive 25k miles a year and gas stays out of it's current price slump. Then you still only have a very marginal savings and may have given up some utility to get it.
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Re: List of crappy? [dave8697] by circlew
Jan 14, 2009 (9:40 am)
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Replying to: dave8697 (Jan 14, 2009 9:31 am)

Unless Uncle Sam gives a sizeable tax rebate/credit to go Hybrid.
 
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OW
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Re: List of crappy? [dave8697] by tlong
Jan 14, 2009 (9:51 am)
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Replying to: dave8697 (Jan 14, 2009 9:31 am)

I think hybrids are not the final solution and GM is smart enough to know that as well. To make money selling them, $4k has to be added to the car price.
 
I thought the two-mode hybrid was more like an additional $10K, so your figures are very conservative. It's not worth it.
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Re: Sales up for January? [gagrice] by lemko
Jan 14, 2009 (9:53 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 13, 2009 3:47 pm)

I'm sure there are millions of unemployed and underemployed people who would be willing to build cars. The problem is, can they build cars? I'm sure it's nowhere as easy to build them as people make it out to be. There needs to be people willing to train all these unskilled people. The quality of the initial cars built by these novices is going to be abominable. A drunken, drugged-up lazy UAW worker with a severe head injury could build a better car than the most earnest unskilled illegal immigrant.
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Re: List of crappy? [dave8697] by anythngbutgm
Jan 14, 2009 (9:57 am)
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Replying to: dave8697 (Jan 14, 2009 9:31 am)

I think hybrids are not the final solution and GM is smart enough to know that as well.
 
Maybe not, but Toyota managed to find 241 thousand takers last year alone. And if GM were "smart enough", they wouldn't have slapped a few of their own pathetic attempts together to try and compete for those sales. They also would have been even smarter if they stuck to their guns and stayed out since they were neither up to snuff (underperforming compared to thier non-hybrid counterparts) and had big problems with battery leaks.

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