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link title Chevrolet - 1,801,131 GMC - 376,996 Pontiac - 267,348 Saturn - 188,004 Cadillac - 161,159 Buick - 137,197 HUMMER - 27,485 Saab - 21,368
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Jan 13, 2009 9:16 am) Enclave....3.6% LaCrosse..14% Lucerne...10% Looking at the Accord it is about 2% and the Camry is 5%. Avalon is at 23%. So Buick is still higher than what Accord/Camry do in the midsize but much lower than for large car and much lower what it used to be. |
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Jan 13, 2009 9:58 am) In the Saturn dealership channel you get 188k sales while at the GMC/Buick/Pontiac you get 782,000 sales. |
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Replying to: 210delray (Jan 13, 2009 8:33 am) It can't be done by executive fiat. It was a campaign promise by our President elect. Are you saying that the 111th Congress will not jump when President Obama says to? One of his many statements on the subject: "Give the 12 million people who are here illegally… many of whom have U.S. citizens for children…a pathway to legalization." Again with that many more legal workers looking for good jobs the Auto industry is a Natural. They are hard working people that are used to a tough life. The sooner GM sheds itself of the UAW burden the sooner they will start to compete with the imports being built here.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 13, 2009 11:07 am) C'Mon, Gary !! ( I really don't know how much FARTHER we could get from the topic, but I can't let that comment stand.) "A pathway to legalization" is so far, far, FAR away from saying "on this date you are automagically a citizen" that I can't believe a person would associate the two comments.
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I gotta tell you this is totally bogus. All GM work/parts are warrantied at any GM dealer. Hey, I'm just telling reality. Whether you want to believe it or not is your choice. Surely there's a good reason a longtime GM loyalist turned his back on GM right when GM needs him. |
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 13, 2009 12:21 pm) My point was there will be plenty of people that are willing to build cars without going on strike every time GM gets going in the right direction. Including all those that are now illegal aliens. Obama, Hillary and McCain all supported amnesty. I don't think it is a good idea to give those that have broken our laws a free pass to get out of jail free. However I do believe most of those 12 million illegals could build as good or better cars for GM without the huge legacy, wage costs & crippling work rules. http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/parkland.asp
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 13, 2009 3:42 am) Thanks for setting the record straight on the warranty work and ability of GM deals to work on all brands. The Cadillac story sounds like another of the GM stories that don't sound quite right but are used to diminish GM's product over and over.
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"Not to help you out by responding since I doubt we will ever hear from you again but I do feel sorry for Honda for introducing their Insight this year. Hybrid sales are tanking due to gas under $2 and their price AND our economy allows few the luxury of paying more to be "green" 62vetteefp. I am just wondering. Did you also feel sorry for Honda and Toyota when they introduced their hybrids earlier this decade when fuel was dirt cheap? I know GM did feel sorry for them and laughed at the same time. This is exactly the short-sighted type of thinking that GM people are suffering from. When fuel prices went up. Toyota had the Prius. GM had nothing comparable. When prices of fuel will go up again in 2 years or so, Toyota and Honda will have their hybrids which will have been selling for a time long enough to be profitable. Will the Volt be profitable? With this type of shortsightness, let's just hope GM doesn't declare bankruptcy by then.
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Replying to: torque_r (Jan 13, 2009 8:18 pm) This is exactly the short-sighted type of thinking that GM people are suffering from. I predict that the Honda Insight will end up being a successful car. This is a strategy measured in decades, not 1-2 years. Gas will not be cheap forever. GM has the Volt coming but looks to have some major usability issues IMHO - cost, 40 miles on a charge only then you are running on gas through an intricate charging system. GM also has the light hybrid system which is nearly worthless. GM also has the two mode hybrid system which was trumpeted on these boards a couple of years ago but seems only to be available on SUVs and has not lit the world on fire. Perhaps they will soon put it out in a smaller car and then we can see if it is as good as supporters claim. My point is that while Toyota, Honda, and apparently Ford (Fusion) all have very practical, reasonable cost and performance hybrid products that are in CARS, GM is still not there. Where is their high volume, PRACTICAL new-age propulsion system? Just don't see it yet. See the below excerpt from a Feb 2008 article, obviously written before the late 2008 bailout disasters - this is *another* example of my case that Wagoner has a serious case of poor strategic direction: Not to put too fine a point on it, GM is ignoring the old maxim: when you’re in a hole, first, stop digging. The automaker is continuing to spread its hybrid efforts thin with its (rushed and compromised) mild hybrid Malibu. It continues to pursue the hugely expensive, untried and untested Volt electric – gas plug-in hybrid. And it refuses to abandon its two-mode snafu. Meanwhile, Toyota is plugging away at its Synergy Dive, steadily lowering costs, bringing the fuel efficient drivetrain within the price range of similarly capable gas engines. GM remains held captive by its unrealistic goal of creating a truly revolutionary drivetrain. Like a degenerate gambler with a shrinking bankroll, GM seems convinced that ever bigger risks are the key to emerging from its decades-long neglect of fuel efficient vehicles. Rather than chasing the big score, GM would be far better off ceding the hybrid market. If it can’t satisfy new federal corporate average fuel economy regulations using traditional technology, it should join Nissan and license Synergy Drive from Toyota. That way it could concentrate its time and resources on restoring its branding and quality, and, thus, its fortunes.
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