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Re: Sales up for January? [210delray] by dtownfb
Jan 13, 2009 (9:02 am)
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Replying to: 210delray (Jan 13, 2009 8:33 am)

I thought most of the illegals went back once the job markets dried up....... At least that is what they have been reporting.
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Re: model plan [dtownfb] by 62vetteefp
Jan 13, 2009 (9:09 am)
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Replying to: dtownfb (Jan 13, 2009 8:46 am)

I wonder how many of the 137,000 Buick sales are rental or fleet vehicles????? (62vette help)
 
Do not know but GM has greatly reduced their rental fleet sales. I think Pontiac has taken the brunt of the rental sales.
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Re: model plan [dtownfb] by anythngbutgm
Jan 13, 2009 (9:16 am)
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Replying to: dtownfb (Jan 13, 2009 8:46 am)

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According to this site, mid year registration for Buick:
 
21.4% of Lacrosses went to fleets
13.2% of Lucernes
6.3% of Enclaves
 
So after half of the year, Buick fleeted out 4500 Lacrosses, 4300 Lucernes and 1500 Enclaves. Double that and its about 21 thousand Buicks. What's that about 15% fleet sales?
 
*Make that 16.3%*
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MY2007, Buicks fleet totals were 19.6%
 
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But they were also peddling the Terraza Minivan and the Rainier SUV at this time too.
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Re: model plan [anythngbutgm] by dtownfb
Jan 13, 2009 (9:48 am)
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Jan 13, 2009 9:16 am)

Thanks anythingbutgm. So Buick sold roughly 22k units to fleet or rental and 115k private sales..... I think GM can justify cutting this brand to save money. I'm sure it will upset GM/Buick loyalist but those who claim to be loyal aren't buying enough Buicks to justify keeping the brand.
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Autoblog has totals by anythngbutgm
Jan 13, 2009 (9:58 am)
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Chevrolet - 1,801,131
GMC - 376,996
Pontiac - 267,348
Saturn - 188,004
Cadillac - 161,159
Buick - 137,197
HUMMER - 27,485
Saab - 21,368
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Re: model plan [anythngbutgm] by 62vetteefp
Jan 13, 2009 (10:28 am)
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Jan 13, 2009 9:16 am)

They do list out the rental vs. commercial vs. government. The commercial and government is normally shown as good sales because they are much more profitable than rental and most companies go after them. GM has been reducing the rental fleet and you get with rental only:
 
Enclave....3.6%
LaCrosse..14%
Lucerne...10%
 
Looking at the Accord it is about 2% and the Camry is 5%. Avalon is at 23%. So Buick is still higher than what Accord/Camry do in the midsize but much lower than for large car and much lower what it used to be.
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Re: Autoblog has totals [anythngbutgm] by 62vetteefp
Jan 13, 2009 (10:36 am)
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Jan 13, 2009 9:58 am)

Since we are on the subject of Buick they got 137k of sales with 3 models. Saturn got 188k with 5 models. And the Buicks are a bit more profitable and have now started sharing models with China so you need to look at worldwide sales to get the total picture.
 
In the Saturn dealership channel you get 188k sales while at the GMC/Buick/Pontiac you get 782,000 sales.
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Re: Sales up for January? [210delray] by gagrice
Jan 13, 2009 (11:07 am)
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Replying to: 210delray (Jan 13, 2009 8:33 am)

That's news to me.
  
It can't be done by executive fiat.

 
It was a campaign promise by our President elect. Are you saying that the 111th Congress will not jump when President Obama says to? One of his many statements on the subject:
 
"Give the 12 million people who are here illegally… many of whom have U.S. citi­zens for children…a pathway to legalization."
 
Again with that many more legal workers looking for good jobs the Auto industry is a Natural. They are hard working people that are used to a tough life. The sooner GM sheds itself of the UAW burden the sooner they will start to compete with the imports being built here.
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Re: Sales up for January? [gagrice] by larsb
Jan 13, 2009 (12:21 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 13, 2009 11:07 am)

gary says, "It was a campaign promise by our President elect. Are you saying that the 111th Congress will not jump when President Obama says to? One of his many statements on the subject: "Give the 12 million people who are here illegally… many of whom have U.S. citi­zens for children…a pathway to legalization."

C'Mon, Gary !! ( I really don't know how much FARTHER we could get from the topic, but I can't let that comment stand.)
 
"A pathway to legalization" is so far, far, FAR away from saying "on this date you are automagically a citizen" that I can't believe a person would associate the two comments.
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by m4d_cow
Jan 13, 2009 (12:59 pm)
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I gotta tell you this is totally bogus. All GM work/parts are warrantied at any GM dealer.
 
Hey, I'm just telling reality. Whether you want to believe it or not is your choice. Surely there's a good reason a longtime GM loyalist turned his back on GM right when GM needs him.

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