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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 13, 2009 8:02 am) That's news to me.  It can't be done by executive fiat.
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 13, 2009 7:49 am) And that is part of the problem. They can't cut any more without addressing the issue of closing dealerships in a more rapid fashion. By only reducing to 40 brands, they avoid having to buy out dealerships which will cost $$$$. I guarantee they are trying to figure out a cheap way to dispose of Saturn. My plan would be to move the Saturn lineup to Pontiac and drop Saturn. At one point, when it still had the plastic body, Saturn could have been sold but now it's too integrated. I like the future plans of Saturn and it would fit Pontiac. Also you have more Pontiac dealerships which will give these cars more visibility and hopefully more sales. Drop Buick except for overseas where China evidently loves Buick. GM is spending a ton of money on Buick to only see 137,000 in sales (2008 Buick sales). Hummer and Saab would be on sale at Walmart prices. I wonder how many of the 137,000 Buick sales are rental or fleet vehicles????? (62vette help) |
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Replying to: 210delray (Jan 13, 2009 8:33 am) |
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Replying to: dtownfb (Jan 13, 2009 8:46 am) Do not know but GM has greatly reduced their rental fleet sales. I think Pontiac has taken the brunt of the rental sales. |
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Replying to: dtownfb (Jan 13, 2009 8:46 am) According to this site, mid year registration for Buick: 21.4% of Lacrosses went to fleets 13.2% of Lucernes 6.3% of Enclaves So after half of the year, Buick fleeted out 4500 Lacrosses, 4300 Lucernes and 1500 Enclaves. Double that and its about 21 thousand Buicks. *Make that 16.3%* link title MY2007, Buicks fleet totals were 19.6% link title But they were also peddling the Terraza Minivan and the Rainier SUV at this time too.
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Jan 13, 2009 9:16 am) |
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link title Chevrolet - 1,801,131 GMC - 376,996 Pontiac - 267,348 Saturn - 188,004 Cadillac - 161,159 Buick - 137,197 HUMMER - 27,485 Saab - 21,368
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Jan 13, 2009 9:16 am) Enclave....3.6% LaCrosse..14% Lucerne...10% Looking at the Accord it is about 2% and the Camry is 5%. Avalon is at 23%. So Buick is still higher than what Accord/Camry do in the midsize but much lower than for large car and much lower what it used to be. |
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Jan 13, 2009 9:58 am) In the Saturn dealership channel you get 188k sales while at the GMC/Buick/Pontiac you get 782,000 sales. |
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Replying to: 210delray (Jan 13, 2009 8:33 am) It can't be done by executive fiat. It was a campaign promise by our President elect. Are you saying that the 111th Congress will not jump when President Obama says to? One of his many statements on the subject: "Give the 12 million people who are here illegally… many of whom have U.S. citizens for children…a pathway to legalization." Again with that many more legal workers looking for good jobs the Auto industry is a Natural. They are hard working people that are used to a tough life. The sooner GM sheds itself of the UAW burden the sooner they will start to compete with the imports being built here.
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