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Re: List of crappy? [imidazol97] by 210delray
Jan 13, 2009 (8:31 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jan 13, 2009 7:45 am)

Thanks -- I will pass this along and see what my colleague can find out.
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Re: Sales up for January? [gagrice] by 210delray
Jan 13, 2009 (8:33 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 13, 2009 8:02 am)

12,000,000 illegals that will become citizens on January 21st
 
That's news to me.
 
It can't be done by executive fiat.
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Re: model plan [62vetteefp] by dtownfb
Jan 13, 2009 (8:46 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 13, 2009 7:49 am)

"GM looks to be keeping to the restructuring plan they submitted."
 
And that is part of the problem. They can't cut any more without addressing the issue of closing dealerships in a more rapid fashion. By only reducing to 40 brands, they avoid having to buy out dealerships which will cost $$$$.
 
I guarantee they are trying to figure out a cheap way to dispose of Saturn. My plan would be to move the Saturn lineup to Pontiac and drop Saturn. At one point, when it still had the plastic body, Saturn could have been sold but now it's too integrated. I like the future plans of Saturn and it would fit Pontiac. Also you have more Pontiac dealerships which will give these cars more visibility and hopefully more sales. Drop Buick except for overseas where China evidently loves Buick. GM is spending a ton of money on Buick to only see 137,000 in sales (2008 Buick sales). Hummer and Saab would be on sale at Walmart prices.
 
I wonder how many of the 137,000 Buick sales are rental or fleet vehicles????? (62vette help)
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Re: Sales up for January? [210delray] by dtownfb
Jan 13, 2009 (9:02 am)
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Replying to: 210delray (Jan 13, 2009 8:33 am)

I thought most of the illegals went back once the job markets dried up....... At least that is what they have been reporting.
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Re: model plan [dtownfb] by 62vetteefp
Jan 13, 2009 (9:09 am)
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Replying to: dtownfb (Jan 13, 2009 8:46 am)

I wonder how many of the 137,000 Buick sales are rental or fleet vehicles????? (62vette help)
 
Do not know but GM has greatly reduced their rental fleet sales. I think Pontiac has taken the brunt of the rental sales.
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Re: model plan [dtownfb] by anythngbutgm
Jan 13, 2009 (9:16 am)
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Replying to: dtownfb (Jan 13, 2009 8:46 am)

link title
 
According to this site, mid year registration for Buick:
 
21.4% of Lacrosses went to fleets
13.2% of Lucernes
6.3% of Enclaves
 
So after half of the year, Buick fleeted out 4500 Lacrosses, 4300 Lucernes and 1500 Enclaves. Double that and its about 21 thousand Buicks. What's that about 15% fleet sales?
 
*Make that 16.3%*
link title
 
MY2007, Buicks fleet totals were 19.6%
 
link title
 
But they were also peddling the Terraza Minivan and the Rainier SUV at this time too.
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Re: model plan [anythngbutgm] by dtownfb
Jan 13, 2009 (9:48 am)
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Jan 13, 2009 9:16 am)

Thanks anythingbutgm. So Buick sold roughly 22k units to fleet or rental and 115k private sales..... I think GM can justify cutting this brand to save money. I'm sure it will upset GM/Buick loyalist but those who claim to be loyal aren't buying enough Buicks to justify keeping the brand.
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Autoblog has totals by anythngbutgm
Jan 13, 2009 (9:58 am)
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Chevrolet - 1,801,131
GMC - 376,996
Pontiac - 267,348
Saturn - 188,004
Cadillac - 161,159
Buick - 137,197
HUMMER - 27,485
Saab - 21,368
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Re: model plan [anythngbutgm] by 62vetteefp
Jan 13, 2009 (10:28 am)
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Jan 13, 2009 9:16 am)

They do list out the rental vs. commercial vs. government. The commercial and government is normally shown as good sales because they are much more profitable than rental and most companies go after them. GM has been reducing the rental fleet and you get with rental only:
 
Enclave....3.6%
LaCrosse..14%
Lucerne...10%
 
Looking at the Accord it is about 2% and the Camry is 5%. Avalon is at 23%. So Buick is still higher than what Accord/Camry do in the midsize but much lower than for large car and much lower what it used to be.
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Re: Autoblog has totals [anythngbutgm] by 62vetteefp
Jan 13, 2009 (10:36 am)
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Jan 13, 2009 9:58 am)

Since we are on the subject of Buick they got 137k of sales with 3 models. Saturn got 188k with 5 models. And the Buicks are a bit more profitable and have now started sharing models with China so you need to look at worldwide sales to get the total picture.
 
In the Saturn dealership channel you get 188k sales while at the GMC/Buick/Pontiac you get 782,000 sales.

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