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#3371 of 8055 Re: Batteries built in the USA [gagrice] by 210delray Jan 13, 2009 (6:29 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Jan 13, 2009 6:06 am) I would say that anyone that thinks driving a Prius is fun, runs shy of a full load. It is economical transportation at best.   There you go again with your exaggerations Gary. Of course the Prius is NOT a Porsche 911, but it's not all that much different from your average small sedan. Actually, it's better appointed than most and getting 50 mpg is a big bonus.   I used one as a rental on a recent business trip to Chicago, drove it 110 miles, and the in-car computer bar chart showed plus or minus 50 mpg for each 5-mile segment of the trip. This was in mostly below freezing temps. I only had to add 2.5 gallons before returning it and I literally "stuffed" the tank to make sure it showed "full" on return. I have no idea if it started out with a truly full tank in the beginning, because it uses an 8-segment bar gauge, and all 8 bars were lit.   One other reason for picking the Prius is that its controls (cruise, headlamp and wiper switches, etc.) are identical to those used on the Toyota products I own. Nothing is more frustrating than starting out in a rental car with inscrutable controls.   The upshot is I paid a little more upfront for the Prius, but got my money back in gas savings. Replies to this message: gagrice (Jan 13, 2009 6:59 am)
#3372 of 8055 Re: model plan [anythngbutgm] by 210delray Jan 13, 2009 (6:34 am)
Replying to: anythngbutgm (Jan 13, 2009 6:27 am) I suppose the big problem though is GM has no "clean" way of getting rid of Hummer, Saab, Pontiac, and Saturn. No one wants to buy these brands and the affected dealers are going to raise hell if GM tries to terminate these makes. Replies to this message: anythngbutgm (Jan 13, 2009 6:53 am)
#3373 of 8055 Re: List of crappy? [62vetteefp] by 210delray Jan 13, 2009 (6:36 am)
Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 13, 2009 3:42 am) Even for warranty work? Would the local Chevy dealer provide a loaner at no cost? Would the Chevy dealer have the Saturn ignition modules on hand? Replies to this message: 62vetteefp (Jan 13, 2009 7:44 am) imidazol97 (Jan 13, 2009 7:45 am) 210delray (Jan 13, 2009 8:31 am)
#3374 of 8055 Re: model plan [62vetteefp] by m4d_cow Jan 13, 2009 (6:38 am)
Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 13, 2009 5:54 am) As posted in the restructuring plan they look, even though it has been only about 3 days into it, to be following it to the letter as far as the models / marques go. They are trying to do something with Hummer/Saab/Saturn and decrease the number of models at Pontiac and doing more fuel efficient/alternative models.   Interesting, however it doesn't change the fact that maintaining 40 models when 25 is more than enough to cover the market demands. Kill all slow selling models and you get about 20 left. Think what you want but to me this is a fine example of wasting money. And then... more bailout, and we all wonder why GM keep asking for more...
#3375 of 8055 by m4d_cow Jan 13, 2009 (6:51 am)
Any GM dealer will cover any GM work   Sure they will, but will they honor the differences in contract and warranty? Another question, even if the dealer will cover it, will GM cover it?   Not from what I see. Check this out:   My neighbor got his 07 Escalade broke down in the middle of nowhere in Idaho, but managed to drive it a bit to the nearest town. Alas, the town had no Cadillac service center, so he stopped at local GMC dealer for assistance. The mechanic told him the rear suspension broke down, and sparepart was avaliable there, but he wouldn't replace it in fear that the Slade might lose it's warranty. My neighbor then called Cadillac for assistance, which rep simply said they couldn't dispatch any roadside assistant because it was "too far from nearest service center". The rep then "talked to his manager", who took over and told him it's ok to temporarily replace it with the GMC Denali suspension, as they're actually the same anyway (albeit with slightly different damper rate). He had to pay for the suspension, but when he return he could get the replacement from Cadillac under warranty. He agreed and asked for a form of agreement, the manager said it's been recorded in their database (which he foolishly believed). When he returned home he visited local Cadillac to get the proper replacement, however he was told the warranty was void as he used non-Cadillac part. He called Cadillac again, who replied "The use of parts not from Cadillac voids the warranty without exception." He then reminded them of the database records he was told about, and was answered with "We have no such records available". He then asked for the manager, who replied shortly with "We will check this out immediately". Never happened, instead Cadillac sent him this letter basically saying: "The warranty for rear right suspension item for your vehicle is no longer honored by Cadillac nor GM. This due to the use of improper replacement parts that was not from Cadillac. However, looking at your history and loyalty to GM in the past, we have decided to re-activate your full warranty once the vehicle receive full service at any of our certified Cadillac service Center. This reactivation does not include initial service, in which you will be required to pay for all parts and service fees". GM made the mistake, refused to honor warranty, and then sent this ridiculous letter almost as if the customer's at fault. What kind of joke is that? He didn't file a lawsuit as he thought it's a waste of time and money. However he swore it'd be his 13th and last GM car for the rest of his life (oh, the irony...). GM just lost another customer. A loyal one, unless you think buying 13 GM cars isn't loyal enough. So much for "premium service" isn't it? LOL... Naturally, he signed the "GM customer no more" petition. He even pressed the pen so hard he actually signed THROUGH the paper instead of on it. Replies to this message: 62vetteefp (Jan 13, 2009 7:46 am)
#3376 of 8055 Re: model plan [210delray] by anythngbutgm Jan 13, 2009 (6:53 am)
Replying to: 210delray (Jan 13, 2009 6:34 am) Sure, but I'd still like to think my money going to this Charity Case is being used in my best interest (as a consumer). And right now, as a consumer with vested interest I'd like to see GM dump the dead weight. Not just talk about it. AlI see here is talking and reviewing with little action.   For example, Hummer has been up for sale since the summertime. And GM can't seem to sell this joke to anyone. Well boo f'n hoo, you know what? If it were me and I couldn't sell something, then I lower the price. And lower it some more until some sorry sap out there gets it for a song. Cut your losses and move on.
#3377 of 8055 Re: Batteries built in the USA [210delray] by gagrice Jan 13, 2009 (6:59 am)
Replying to: 210delray (Jan 13, 2009 6:29 am) There you go again with your exaggerations Gary. Of course the Prius is NOT a Porsche 911   I guess I should have stipulated Toyota. They do not have anything I would consider fun to drive. My comment was a response to the theme of the Japanese Auto show. It is for those that are eco weenies. That leaves out a lot of car enthusiasts that LIKE to drive a performance vehicle. Not everyone just wants a car to get from point A to B. That to me is not appealing in any way shape or form.
#3378 of 8055 Re: Sales up for January? [62vetteefp] by m4d_cow Jan 13, 2009 (7:02 am)
Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 13, 2009 6:07 am) Uh, the keyword here is FORD. Ford's sales will hold at least imo. They've improved in many areas, and the 2010 Fusion is only steps away from hitting showrooms. Plus, they didn't take the bailout, a somewhat bold move which resonates dearly with American public, particularly those agitated with their tax money going to D2 and WS pockets.   Plus, 12 days worth of sales don't necessarily reflect anything.
#3379 of 8055 Re: GM could need more money [tlong] by dtownfb Jan 13, 2009 (7:30 am)
Replying to: tlong (Jan 12, 2009 9:29 am) From what was clarified by 62vette (i think), the $18 billion is the $13 billion they are currently receiving and the $5B that GMAC received.   don't be surprised if they need more money.....
#3380 of 8055 Re: List of crappy? [210delray] by 62vetteefp Jan 13, 2009 (7:44 am)
Replying to: 210delray (Jan 13, 2009 6:36 am) Yes they would do the warranty work. Might have an ignition model on hand if it is shared with Chev models. Not sure on the loaner. I think it is up to individual dealers.

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