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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 12, 2009 11:52 am) I think there is a lot of double talk to get Congress to loosen up the purse strings on the $25 billion allocated for new technology. I would be most surprised if the actual lithium Cells are manufactured in the USA. I figured GM would pull a scam on A123 from the get go. And what other cars are slated to use A123 batteries? The Prius plug-in kit using A123 batteries has had a setback with one of the modified 2008 Prius burning up. Also my understanding is most of the Lithium comes from Bolivia. After the Enron debacle their new leader is not pro USA. He is tied in tight with Chavez.
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Picked up an '08 Torrent today taking advantage of GM rebate, owner loyalty cash and GM Card top-off your earnings to $3000 incentive. Based on time of initiation of the GM Card incentive program my GM dollars totaled ~$1900 dollars. So I had an additional ~$1100 from GM Card. Since that initiation date ~$125 of my GM dollars expired. Net according to the people at gm card is now ~$2875, not $3000. Both the dealer & I felt that my actual balance of GM Card dollars should not effect the $3000 incentive amount since the program is marketed to topping off your total GM card dollars to $3000. Price from the dealership was very fair and past service from this dealership has been excellent. So I absorbed the unexpected $125. Just not happy with GM Card. Bottom line make sure your GM Card dollar balance is equal or greater to the amount printed on the mailing they sent you on the date the dealership activates the code found on the mailer. |
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Replying to: chromedome (Jan 12, 2009 6:10 pm) The Honda Insight is a joke. It does not have as high of an EPA rating as the much bigger Civic Hybrid. Honda needs to go back to the drawing board. All they did was try to match the oddball design of the Prius in a cheap hybrid.
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 12, 2009 7:47 am) BTW, my past '97 Camry and current '04 and '05 Camrys have been essentially trouble-free. I service them myself, so they rarely see the local Toyota dealer, which has a less than stellar reputation (not just for Toyota but for all the brands it sells, import AND domestic). Our town is too small to have more than one dealer per make. Oh, and about GM's quality problems being a thing of the past? A colleague at work with an '05 Saturn ION is ready to give up on it after repeated ignition module failures (the car won't start or the key can't be removed from the ignition switch). He moved here from the Detroit area, and there's no Saturn dealer in town. He has to drive about 30 miles to the next town for the repair work, most of which is still covered under the warranty. Still a pain because he's forced to take time off from work. It seems GM still treats its smaller cars with disdain, whereas the big cars favored by lemko and imidazol are much better.
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jan 12, 2009 4:42 pm) |
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For 2008 GM has 48 nameplates and will reduce to 40 by 1012 (chart 5 And you think that's enough? It should be more like 20-25 at most. From what I know, Trailblazer bros, Colorado bros, and H3 are all built on the same platform. |
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Replying to: 210delray (Jan 12, 2009 7:11 pm) Any GM dealer will cover any GM work.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 12, 2009 6:15 pm) Not sure how A123 was a scam. GM up to a short time ago was using both battery sources in their development. LG was chosen because they had the better battery technology (per testing) at least in today's forms. Perhaps we do not see it here because this is a GM forum every large OEM is showing their electric cars from Chrylser to Nissan and any of those could use the batteries. |
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Replying to: chromedome (Jan 12, 2009 6:10 pm) Now 2 years from now when gas goes back up and the economy is starting to roll again electric/hybrid vehicles will be more attractive. And many of GM's vehicles are designed with American criteria such as large cabin room and comfort. Up to the customer to decide if the extra gas is worth the American criteria. Many of these vehicles (redesigned for higher mpg) are selling relative to the entire market. Then again GM does offer many vehicles that do give the attributes of high MPG with the smallness you desire. 
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As you may know the Detroit auto show is down in OEM participants. Many elected not to be here due to the cost. Nissan is the largest but there are others not here (Porsche). All the ones attending have really downsized their exhibits. GM has a 2 story exhibit they have used the last few years but did not put it up due to the cost of moving and assembling it. AND it looks like even the Tokyo Motor Show may be canceled this year. The Japan Automobile Manufacturers' Association is debating whether to cancel the 2009 Tokyo Motor Show, a JAMA executive said today. The debate is driven in part by fewer non-Japanese automakers' having signed up to take part in the October show amid the global financial crisis. But some Japanese exhibitors also are proposing that the show be canceled this year. "A couple companies are not in favor of organizing the show under these conditions, but that is not JAMA's opinion," Toshihiro Iwatake, JAMA's executive director and secretary general, told Automotive News. The 41st annual Tokyo Motor Show is scheduled to take place Oct. 23-Nov. 8. Press days are to be Oct. 21 and 22. The theme is "Fun driving for us, eco driving for earth." A decision on whether to cancel the show will be made by early next month, he said
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