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Re: List of crappy? [circlew] by carnaught
Jan 11, 2009 (11:30 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Jan 11, 2009 4:51 am)

the Buick badge seems out of place.
 
Speaking of which, that Buick badge needs to go. It connotes "it's your father's Buick"," its Uncle Olaf's Buick", whatever, it just doesn't work anymore. I don't even have as much trouble with the port holes; they are good enough for 4 door Maserati's.
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Re: List of crappy? [m4d_cow] by imidazol97
Jan 11, 2009 (12:01 pm)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Jan 11, 2009 7:03 am)

>Avalon simply isn't needed as the market for fullsize cars keep shrinking and the current Camry is almost as large already.
 
And Avalon is just another Camry. It was based on the previous Camry chassis. There are 3 Camrys; don't need that many.
 
Buick can keep the current logo. It has nothing to do with the product.
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Re: List of crappy? [imidazol97] by m4d_cow
Jan 11, 2009 (12:09 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jan 11, 2009 12:01 pm)

And Avalon is just another Camry. It was based on the previous Camry chassis. There are 3 Camrys; don't need that many.
 
Indeed.
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Re: List of crappy? [carnaught] by 62vetteefp
Jan 11, 2009 (12:23 pm)
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Replying to: carnaught (Jan 11, 2009 11:30 am)

My god, it never ends.
 
Quality is not good enough: Buick is now world class at the top with Lexus for both short and long term.
Dealership is not good: Buick is at the top of dealership satisfaction
Interior is not good enough: Looks pretty darn good now with top notch materials
Exterior is plain: Looks pretty stylish now
Ride and handling sucks: Now it has high tech real time adjustable dampers(will have to wait for ride to see how it works.
It does not have high tech: Now it does
It is loud: Now quietest of all midsize/entry level marques
Does not have high tech modern headlamps:now it does and they even swivel
Does not have high tech taillights: Now it has LED taillights
AWD is not available: now it is
powertrain out of date: aluminum overhead cam V6 with DI
MPG sucks: Very competitive now
It's not made in the US: now it is
The badge is out of date.
 
http://jalopnik.com/5125035/2010-buick-lacrosse-blue-hair-no-more
 
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Re: 2008 Sales (Final Figures) [tlong] by dave8697
Jan 11, 2009 (1:15 pm)
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Replying to: tlong (Jan 11, 2009 11:23 am)

If I look at the owners experiences with the GM's, your comments seem out of sync.
 
You forgot one.
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Re: List of crappy? [62vetteefp] by circlew
Jan 11, 2009 (1:19 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 11, 2009 12:23 pm)

 
It ends when the product pleases enough to be the best. Up until the now, it hasn't.
 
Relax.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: List of crappy? [62vetteefp] by carnaught
Jan 11, 2009 (1:23 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 11, 2009 12:23 pm)

Yup, and there are many reasons why Buick and GM are in trouble.
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Re: List of crappy? [62vetteefp] by bpizzuti
Jan 11, 2009 (1:38 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 11, 2009 12:23 pm)

Part of that is perception...GM's burned so many people they're going to have to do all that and more to get people to consider them again.
 
I happen to agree that the badge is way out of date. Today's Buick is very different, and the badge should reflect that. That's one of the mistakes I think they made with Caddy too, actually.
 
Oh and MPG can't just be competitive. If GM wants to survive, it needs to be CLASS-LEADING, not merely competitive. And yes, they have to be THAT much better to earn business back from some.
 
The complaints are indicating what customers want to see from Buick. GM needs to answer and provide the customers with the product they want rather than whining that people are asking too much of them.
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Re: List of crappy? [bpizzuti] by circlew
Jan 11, 2009 (1:45 pm)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 11, 2009 1:38 pm)

Yes, you can complain about negative perceptions all you want. When the PRODUCTS change those perceptions, you succeed. Until then, it's all excuses.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: List of crappy? [62vetteefp] by gagrice
Jan 11, 2009 (1:54 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 11, 2009 12:23 pm)

I must be totally out of sync with everyone else. I thought the last few years of the Buick were nice looking. The new one looks like a Camry from the rear. I hate the looks of the Camry. I guess if Buick sells that will be the test. I really don't like the newer Cadillacs. The only Caddies I see here in San Diego are the real tuna boat models. All have Marine stickers and the guys look like Korean war vets. I rarely see a new model Cadillac sedan. Escalades are everywhere. Two on my street alone. I would guess that Escalade keeps the brand going.

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