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Re: List of crappy? [circlew] by tlong
Jan 10, 2009 (10:47 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Jan 10, 2009 12:58 pm)

At least this has some attempt at design in it...considering the evolution of past GM design iterations, this is eons ahead in 1 model year.
 
I still don't like that trademark grill, kind of ruins the look for me. But overall the car is really nice looking and kudos to GM for being a bit bolder. Hopefully the rest of the car is similarly excellent.
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Re: List of crappy? [tlong] by circlew
Jan 11, 2009 (4:51 am)
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Replying to: tlong (Jan 10, 2009 10:47 pm)

Well, the interior is even better IMHO. Doesn't even hint at GM....the Buick badge seems out of place.
 

 
Regards,
OW
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09 press conference online by 62vetteefp
Jan 11, 2009 (6:21 am)
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GM will deliver two live video streams during media days at the North America International Auto Show (NAIAS) in Detroit January 11 and 12, 2009. The GM press conference videos will be available for on-demand replay from the same web addresses beginning two hours after each live stream. Replays will be available for at least eleven months.
 
Web editors will be able to embedthe streams on their sites using the code available at least 24 hours before event start time in each video window.
 
General Motors 2009 NAIAS Streaming Video URLs
 
Sunday January 11, 2009, 10:00 a.m. EST
GM Press Conference
http://gmtv.feedroom.com/?fr_story=8c6d77d0740b10004ea16615c8877c2a1da9652d
 
Monday January 12, 2009, 10:15 a.m. EST
GM Press Conference
http://gmtv.feedroom.com/?fr_story=a307a8aadfa737ca8ca9720a6c4e90d9f52124f5
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Re: GM [lemko] by gagrice
Jan 11, 2009 (6:24 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 10, 2009 1:40 pm)

I think that the Buicks are the best looking cars that GM has to offer. I just have a hard time forgetting the port holes and Dynaflow transmissions. You are a rare breed throw back to the 1950s when brand loyalty was as strong as any loyalty to a sports team is today. I just don't hear much of that anymore.
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Re: GM [gagrice] by 62vetteefp
Jan 11, 2009 (6:32 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 11, 2009 6:24 am)

I just have a hard time forgetting the Dynaflow transmissions.
 
Wow, the misinformation here is amazing!! Buick no longer uses the Dynaflow transmissions.
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Re: Really? [tlong] by andre1969
Jan 11, 2009 (7:00 am)
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Replying to: tlong (Jan 09, 2009 2:50 pm)

Well, there's a trolley on Galveston Island that rides on rails. But it can also rattle the fillings out of your teeth and give you a splitting headache.
 
So riding on rails isn't always a good thing...just depends on the context
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Re: List of crappy? [cooterbfd] by m4d_cow
Jan 11, 2009 (7:03 am)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jan 10, 2009 11:17 am)

Here we go again... when did I ever say the Avalon has better fit-finish???
 
Lucerne's fit-finish pales in comparison with Nissan Maxima and GM's own Pontiac G8. LaCrosse's fit-finish, now that's better.
If you insist on comparing with Avalon, Avalon wins in refinement, Lucerne is quieter. Interiorwise, Lucerne has better panel fits, Avalon has better materials.
 
That the Avalon goes bye-bye this year, has nothing to do with which is better. Avalon simply isn't needed as the market for fullsize cars keep shrinking and the current Camry is almost as large already.
Lucerne soldiers on, mainly because of customers' loyalty (Buick has loads of loyalists) towards it, remember that the Lucerne is positioned as the replacement fot the ultra-popular (by class standard) LeSabre.
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Re: GM [62vetteefp] by gagrice
Jan 11, 2009 (8:35 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 11, 2009 6:32 am)

Hopefully they dumped the Dynaflow by the 1960s. Just those memories of a slipping transmission remain in my head. GM had the much better hydramatic at the time.
 
Seriously, if I had any desire to own another sedan the Buick would get a good test drive. I just don't see myself ever buying another one.
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Re: 2008 Sales (Final Figures) [tlong] by dave8697
Jan 11, 2009 (10:08 am)
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Replying to: tlong (Jan 09, 2009 10:20 pm)

bottom third?
so 33% unemployment would be your target for our economy if you were in Obama's position? That would leave crappy people out on the street?
 
Apples to oranges. How is that relevant? Crappy people have lower-paying jobs, in general (or they are unemployed). Not at all relevant to an AUTOMOBILE discussion.

Some of us want all of us to succeed.
If I look at the owners experiences with the GM's, your comments seem out of sync.
We have 1.9 million people freshly out of work since September. The ones driving GM's are crappy people in crappy cars? I hope none of them are stinking up your neighborhood.
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Re: 2008 Sales (Final Figures) [dave8697] by m4d_cow
Jan 11, 2009 (10:23 am)
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Replying to: dave8697 (Jan 11, 2009 10:08 am)

That would leave crappy people out on the street?
 
Dave, there's a huge difference between crappy people who're still pulling some effort to become better and crappy people who think they aren't. The latter can drop dead for all I care.
 
Crappy people have lower-paying jobs, in general (or they are unemployed). Not at all relevant to an AUTOMOBILE discussion.
 
Correction, tlong, some crappy people actually get paid higher than others who actually deserve it. can you say UAW?
 
We have 1.9 million people freshly out of work since September.
 
So? You actually want every person alive to succeed? How noble, I wish it's that easy but it's impossible. You don't work hard, you dont succeed, simply because the world isn't that nice.

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