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Replying to: dino001 (Jan 09, 2009 8:34 pm) That's why I suggested an *upgraded* BLS! If you look at the sum of U.S. sales of A4 + 3-series + 1-series + MB C-class + TSX + loaded Jettas you have quite a number of upscale small cars. PROFITABLE small cars. Where were the GM strategists? Supposedly the D3 can't profitably make a small car - - well the cars above sell for $25K-$40K. So GM could have been known as the American car company that sells *premium* small cars! Instead we got the Cobalt and Saturn Ion! And here comes the Volt! Yet an analog to the cars above would take no new technologies other than GM's ability to make a very high quality, refined, and excellent-handling small car. And they've done the handling with the CTS, so they CAN do it. They just have not. Another example of why I say Wagoner has no strategic vision.
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GM lost its way a long time ago. Could have done the minivan before Chrysler. '82 camaro....looks great, wheres the 350? No....305 thats it. Eventually the 350 was made available (auto only) but the damage was done, and Ford sold a ton of 302 Mustangs. Buicks GN and other turbo V6 models (86-87)......."hey you cant make something faster than the Vette"....killed those cars, and the Monte Carlo sold very well but if you wanted a V8.......the 305. Pontaic Aztec.......do I need to say anything? They seem to make decent trucks, and we all know they make big profits from them. Thankfully they called the new small trucks Colorado and Canyon, look like Nissans to me. Who was in charge of designing these? Why only four guages in a truck? Most people would use it as a car I know, but this is supposed to be a truck. GM cars either look bland or from another planet. And why is onstar standard on all GM vehicles? I know alot of people would be out of work if they went bankrupt, I think the loan is only putting GM on life support.....and the pulse is fading......
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Sure Dave, here's my list: Chevy HHR: horrible materials (compared to even PT Cruiser), terrible handler Cobalt: total crap compared to the likes of Civic and Mazda3 inside out. Aveo: Hopelessly cramped inside compared to Fit or even Yaris (which is tiny already) Impala: have you checked out the interior? 100% rental grade Equinox: Poor quality and refinement Colorado: hasnt been updated since the ice age Trailblazer (and all the clones): need I say more? SSR: what's the point? Uplander: is it dead yet? Pontiac Solstice: trashy engine and tranny, poor performance G3: same as Aveo G6: slow, heavy on fuel, doesn't feel solid G5: Cobalt ripoff = the same crap Vibe: Matrix twin minus the build quality and interior for the same price Aztek: behold, king of ugly and pointless  Saturn Sky: just another Solstice ripoff Aura: totally unrefined compared to Malibu Astra: not bad but waayyy overpriced Hummer H2: horrible interior quality for the price H3: terrible engine Buick: Lucerne: Fit-finish, nuff' said. Cadillac: XLR: horrific fit-finish and quality for the price SRX: interior made of tupperware STS: terrible interior and space for it's size, class and price Escalade: good by regular standard, crap by luxo standard. The only reason it's "perceived as good": the hype, superficial "bling" (thanks to the celebs) Those are the ones I find below par, others are so-so at best. If you ask LaCrosse, I say: just ok, not bad but nothing good either. Escalade you say? Compare it with Audi Q7, Range Rover, Lexus LX or MB GL550, and you'll see why. Satisfied?
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"So that Camaro built in Canada does support a couple thousand jobs there but also supports many thousands more here in the states. Same with all the vehicles built in NA." Even if a car is built in Canada it also supports thousands of jobs in the US, yes that's true but what about this one question noone seem to ask so far: instead of supporting thousands in US and thousands in Canada, why not build the whole thing in US to support even more jobs????? Sure financially its the best decision, but is this the kind of company you'd call patriotic, the kind of company you want to support? Yeah right. If GM wants us to be patriotic and buy US made, GM needs to at the very least be patriotic as well and make it 100% US made, no excuse and propagandas. For anyone who say: that's impossible, welcome to the real world, bud, where patriotism is meaningless in face of reality. "But we should have no problem if the buyer takes his US given rights and buys cars that were made in the US. " Well, I have the superior right given by US and most importantly god himself, it's called "Freedom of Choice" which allows me to buy whatever I wish. |
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Replying to: tlong (Jan 09, 2009 3:28 pm) Regards, OW |
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I have no written source but I did contact a colleague of mine currently working in Shenzhen. The latest news over there state that both claims (Buick down, Gm up) are somewhat true. Buick's sales has been declining since last year. However, Chevrolet and Cadillac's sales are up. That's why GM cancelled it's plan to expand Buick production (there's not even a single news about this here, Buick expanding??? When?) and opened Shenyang plant instead. Cadillac's sales unexpectedly went up, with Escalade (GM sell it there?) and CTS doing good, STS and BLS a disaster. Chrysler 300 meanwhile, remains the most popular entry level luxury car (yes, Cadillac is considered entry level there). |
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Replying to: dave8697 (Jan 09, 2009 5:50 pm) If not, get on the incentive line early!  Regards, OW |
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Replying to: dave8697 (Jan 09, 2009 5:54 pm) There are just too many other better choices. That includes all BOF SUV's GM makes. The CUV's need to prove themselves and not fall apart. We will see. Regards, OW |
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Replying to: tlong (Jan 09, 2009 10:05 pm) Regards, OW |
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Replying to: tlong (Jan 09, 2009 10:29 pm) Regards, OW |
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